From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Tue Jan 3 22:30:38 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD8EC9E024 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 22:30:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf0-x233.google.com (mail-lf0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90A3C15F6 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 22:30:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf0-x233.google.com with SMTP id d16so2685312lfb.1 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 14:30:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=I/05COh1J7bNQHyc14xN7fwORCJB+G7Y7bqNDSitDss=; b=UXDjz0VvCOpY00cbFHix6PbqW6cWdsucVnQPw/lZqyQErsEdLCbHsXpo1e0xrdzopJ BFUl8CQLsDYohoRLwherY9NWRO62hvJPNDp7/HeykiFFdNiorgsTPbYUasUJW63NK5FV yM5+L0GOwGVbrRPW1iuY/ieAk3CeynSe1IQCa3I8TD5v7VNc70RuB97gYWOnwpcI3U44 aPmHnsXOrPRzAclTi1WyPWQRLlZLLLXwFbgDrRhrtShosy+M//67bo/bWTD+PYshqmWg Enh/if6BxvHExlH1Bdg8nQ6J81KFTBmAhrNQdAakLf9tPwZbG9qYcujXgUjuBCfZjCNh HpbQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=I/05COh1J7bNQHyc14xN7fwORCJB+G7Y7bqNDSitDss=; b=bS0qlnouvHeoRVZpp0BCq4hsln7ixhYxl8O248db4J7p78D0o/GYX6/CH4sqDgWO6J h7boOs2dW3sQ6JvJwjBlw69seIbgHel2D4dqnNQCdXZI7B5OlrTGjvc1eAPn6LmRBKVP XWPhEhdCmavnSGMjnSk9KJvIQJckVi4tCkw/3QmbV+eSgs7WlZCy8qoQ45ZBBGPoVehI 6H8fqJLTc4iIsj62sKSPyzaRg6DAxREL1BZFqoRJKWnyntbzy76iLWDsgzHXVRF+itJX SclGJNDrclsgcpNzNt1QTqZPuQaOQOEN54D1GZf5bbO58Xn0FD5wMtDygpIKa3Sht5Gl TdmQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXJ/WXI3n3nxgyG1tUxNk8oYicQP6j+G/K+x4VrxwwJ0UWnmb1vba2BCUwhZ/lAU3HY0PTq/yQOOVRlh4Q== X-Received: by 10.46.9.73 with SMTP id 70mr24237929ljj.2.1483482635491; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 14:30:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20161230163653.54909631@rsbsd.rsb> <15952279f17.e0be0d8c34357.732964216134709731@nextbsd.org> <20161231120453.13adf858@thor.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <20161231145143.18e6ac99@rsbsd.rsb> <20161231131150.GA3514@lonesome.com> <20161231160319.1a77a8fd@azsupport.com> <822e64b6a6efa38ad5331e2be3f175f9@vvelox.net> <20170103183149.GA86111@slackbox.erewhon.home> <15965d3f462.e563526350116.951917747823032795@nextbsd.org> <159663a3ce5.1150200c6170891.7342168662165756909@nextbsd.org> <159666235c7.123958e86174268.1988566489792006158@nextbsd.org> In-Reply-To: <159666235c7.123958e86174268.1988566489792006158@nextbsd.org> From: blubee blubeeme Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 22:30:24 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: End of year Xorg status rant To: Matthew Macy Cc: Roland Smith , "Zane C. B-H." , x11-list freebsd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 22:30:38 -0000 Backs against the wall, nothing to lose, there's no use in being timid at a time like this. Thanks for all the info. If there's anything else anyone would like to say, I'm all ears. For me, more info I have the better, I don't care if it's good, bad or indifferent I'm all ears. If you don't want to share something on the public mailing list, you can reach me at my email address. Best, Owen On Wed, Jan 4, 2017, 06:10 Matthew Macy wrote: > > > > ---- On Tue, 03 Jan 2017 13:37:30 -0800 blubee blubeeme < > gurenchan@gmail.com> wrote ---- > > Well, knowing things like this up front would be helpful or is it just > insider knowledge from people who were around at that time this stuff was > going on. These are genuine questions I'm asking. > > It's not widely discussed. It reflects badly on FreeBSD as well to have a > former contributor react like that. Nonetheless, it illustrates the > frustration that contributors to this area might experience. > > > > There's no reason for any corporation to fund BSD graphics work so I'm > not even thinking about that. I doubt there's any funds to pay even a > single developer. > > Barring tablet / kiosk development - which I see no case for, given the > wide adoption of Android, Google's deep pockets, and the fact that no one > is really making money off of *that*. > > > > The more you look around the more it seems like there's a lot more to > this issue. I am going to make contributions but I'd like to avoid > reinventing the wheel but I also don't want for freebsd to be dependent on > things outside its control which seems nuts. > > Every year new graphics hardware comes out and applications come to depend > on new interfaces. The FreeBSD community has little say in either. > > -M > > >