From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 2 09:49:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB9F1065692 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:49:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander@leidinger.net) Received: from redbull.bpaserver.net (redbullneu.bpaserver.net [213.198.78.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FD18FC28 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:49:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander@leidinger.net) Received: from outgoing.leidinger.net (pD9E2E4AF.dip.t-dialin.net [217.226.228.175]) by redbull.bpaserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D660F2E145; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:49:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail.leidinger.net (webmail.leidinger.net [192.168.1.102]) by outgoing.leidinger.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5706C36D8; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:49:17 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=Leidinger.net; s=outgoing-alex; t=1238665757; bh=jdcLEtp1KZrmCkzL/4IfCgL+WpWwGLqFZ Z2h7w3Yt/g=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xgOlpjJASOY1R9uG7dAEUOFlrKP6MtG2jBiiRBiO9VDGSLU70aXrjPmKW+Eb/C/Fv AomYIzegoezFRyUpEJhILcIhUvYXb29yAnOkIOnml7ybYe80qzYIMuZ9Fkazv9HJZ51 ZBoC5/xS4sJxREkQquVPhhAs3iyoLQRxBd7o2+vNg3p71qKw/cLnqW65RKU25g43mrR quRVZFhGbD0CRe87noB0iNtUNosoPGWt4wGuOhsLsvsFHnLMn05JURXsK/tEqnMxHk2 aX8EKDL1Kl0/P9PD7EbZqq8y/Z9ZY/ZvzMdG1CJ3YGEKy6O0hAfjboaRsXpmh6r44ow Ms0YxjZSQ== Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.leidinger.net (8.14.3/8.13.8/Submit) id n329nGra086904; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:49:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from pslux.cec.eu.int (pslux.cec.eu.int [158.169.9.14]) by webmail.leidinger.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:49:16 +0200 Message-ID: <20090402114916.170547o692pg252c@webmail.leidinger.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:49:16 +0200 From: Alexander Leidinger To: Poul-Henning Kamp References: <4915.1238655116@critter.freebsd.dk> In-Reply-To: <4915.1238655116@critter.freebsd.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3) / FreeBSD-8.0 X-BPAnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: D660F2E145.3D6D2 X-BPAnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-BPAnet-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, ORDB-RBL, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-13.4, required 6, BAYES_00 -15.00, DKIM_SIGNED 0.00, DKIM_VERIFIED -0.00, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0.10, VOWEL_TOCC_6 1.50) X-BPAnet-MailScanner-From: alexander@leidinger.net X-Spam-Status: No Cc: FreeBSD Arch , Marcel Moolenaar , Gordon Tetlow Subject: Re: On errno X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:49:27 -0000 Quoting Poul-Henning Kamp (from Thu, 02 Apr 2009 =20 06:51:56 +0000): > In message <20090402084616.19846py8s75ogp44@webmail.leidinger.net>, =20 > Alexander Leidinger writes: > >> I agree with your general opinion about i18n and think that it is not >> a matter of workforce, it's a matter of feasability. As soon as we >> have the infrastructure, translations will show up "soonish". It's not >> "if", it's "when". > > And once the novelty has worn off, we are left, as so many other > operating systems, with at best 70% translation into each language. If I adapt your reasoning to our docs, we need to delete all our =20 translations and only keep the english one. If you are pissed off by the missing 30%, submit a patch or stick with =20 english. That's an adaption of what we tell to people when they =20 complain about missing stuff in unmaintained areas of src/ports. =20 Alternatively we can disconnect languages from the system if we think =20 there's not enough coverage. Above you also average the interest over =20 all languages, an generalization which doesn't hold, see below. You assume we need to ship with 100% coverage in all languages. For a =20 person which only uses 40% of one specific language, and this 40% are =20 covered by 100%, it does not matter. If those 40% are a major part to =20 allow to earn a person an income to feed childs and the relative =20 other, great. Note, people which set their LANG to something else already get only a =20 xx% translated system, e.g. KDE/GNOME are displaying a lot of stuff in =20 other languages, but stuff which is comming from FreeBSD itself is in =20 english, so we have the situation you describe already and users are =20 used to it (don't tell me this does not apply because we only program =20 an OS, it applies, as for an user it does not matter what we program, =20 _he_ is using a complete system consisting of an OS and other stuff, =20 not only the OS without anything else). They do their best, they enjoy =20 their native language where it is available and try to handle english =20 when it is not available. At some point I expect that we have some strong languages, and some =20 not so strong languages. Which ones are which and how many languages =20 we would have... I assume the trends regarding this for the handbook =20 can give a hint. Bye, Alexander. --=20 In California they don't throw their garbage away -- they make it into television shows. =09=09-- Woody Allen, "Annie Hall" http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID =3D B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID =3D 72077137