From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 19 22:16:28 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8E565FCBB for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 22:16:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x12d.google.com (mail-lf1-x12d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GTGQg6Vsmz4dGQ for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 22:16:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: by mail-lf1-x12d.google.com with SMTP id q16so32787943lfa.5 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:16:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=6BKusptZKkxcMX7n0GGIac1zbiLpnXH6wf4wn+boNnw=; b=FlSvCKrwb4mH1j6af/OWlLfZyRXg3Lqdndn+KIstrW7TISVCTnx6WQmun0U0zizYW9 Lfv9junqCkWIjNyxXZL9G2DvmOP8e32tFVZZccuILoXQyFZfkmj4cO/7MXOgRLI03vh9 zkwoBRfIlVV1Z6o2YeDodi+CkXEMUD+3aY/QkcqcCVQf/LCpOvKUGK6S9puHgp6c8bKl J9oRYVZHVJx00KfItWesnFo4jFEK1/Al2YbOlWXY+yH9qjIrv/SbGc46cEXtbXCKaQ1A 7FKK0UGcTxJ65WcNyLDdH47X+oCTY8t5OOTKFDqSrOQojnQF/sdoYsFTaSBf5nQLEjvn 1GdQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=6BKusptZKkxcMX7n0GGIac1zbiLpnXH6wf4wn+boNnw=; b=duq3tDbOMvHul2om1aUSvtQs6M9Hy9NRL//bR/klS+34HxyaTyukE53TL7PNpAh6T7 vFdhz5ExBZILqU3Optb6OJaUeozqgwQXE9nqBWAHldxUfz78veCeHLbNbxm/ZSxZBqnT MajJD5Q33DkD0h39BCRMPKUXRzB5rV09q/TyAhXqmferxSLfLKw7REQ2sdilfBMZa+Se lbEBmY3Now9iW8aRDcqiPdOvAUdQGDO5xyjSPmLzAxfVV+hs4GlzkM61RIlBZ9aJdCLd PfltzSmllh3S5Fewo8JwRkrTMXBtXsU4wiexwt2n5BsrjqR0m9uuFaOp76icqcL06xOu C82A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532wkGNwywVnHFQHy4gY/nUmSR9EXp208z9nSC648IGApDK/t0cU RuoM+V2PphO63L9jgP1QqV+LpWETRz5efX2n7mC+cN+B62EjAw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwtjWHxELbn8Zmh790UcaxDL1qC5JHDAXlg2y2XE6zoqiakz6lAwiyhqOgN3oHTO11RV2CX3vUd1+Ghljj9U4A= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:52a8:: with SMTP id r8mr19177394lfm.475.1626732985819; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:16:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210719230817.4b316339@archlinux> In-Reply-To: From: Michael Sierchio Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:15:49 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD To: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GTGQg6Vsmz4dGQ X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=FlSvCKrw; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kudzu@tenebras.com has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::12d) smtp.mailfrom=kudzu@tenebras.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.09 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.60)[-0.604]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tenebras.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.81)[0.807]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::12d:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::12d:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::12d:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 22:16:29 -0000 On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 2:37 PM Alejandro Imass wrote= : Very true. Nonetheless, when It write that I was thinking of FBSD on bare > metal with Jails versus the status quo of something like a JVM running on= a > Linux, running on a Docker, running on a VM, running over XEN, running ov= er > Linux which is your typical crap you see people doing in AWS these days. > The multiple levels of abstraction and virtualization are indeed absurd. I have run FreeBSD in AWS for a decade, and now run a lot on arm64 / graviton instances. It's a little harder, since arm is not a "first class" platform (no freebsd-update, etc.), but well worth it. Better, faster, and cheaper. BTW, I've been using FreeBSD since 2.2.1, but I have yet to be convinced that there is an orchestration framework for jails that is as mature and useful as the numerous ones for Linux. I'd be happy to be educated. =E2=80=93 M