From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 19 09:13:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B13106567B for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:13:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA718FC15 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pBJ9DApi074173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:13:10 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.1 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk pBJ9DApi074173 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1324285990; bh=dbEH/cCltO1EZf2rU6eEaxhDyajO98nXIeW6uQlzqeQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc; b=jLQhT4rhGfWV8VgHyAarvb5prt2fL6hLoLEoXPieOfR/fXusX3CGCdtLBdj1rFtgJ 0/oUIag25IZ8EiMTFnNOXTFciHXaKd3OibQ6kWUgKW9YIiUI0IangSHqsRRUWc2cID k34WX06t09z121C0+Sq8cRoCDAu1IaFjmKH8Enxo= Message-ID: <4EEF0025.6040205@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:13:09 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <4EE1EAFE.3070408@m5p.com> <4EE2AE64.9060802@m5p.com> <4EE88343.2050302@m5p.com> <4EE933C6.4020209@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20111215024249.GA13557@icarus.home.lan> <4EE9A2A0.80607@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <6140271.20111219122721@serebryakov.spb.ru> In-Reply-To: <6140271.20111219122721@serebryakov.spb.ru> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.4 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig51A31B145ADAD5210DDFB260" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, AWL, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:13:18 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig51A31B145ADAD5210DDFB260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 19/12/2011 08:27, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > Here is one problem: we have choice from three items: >=20 > (1) Make FreeBSD looks good on benchmarks by "fixing" FreeBSD >=20 > (2) Make FreeBSD looks good on benchmarks by "fixing" Phoronix > (communication with them, convincing, that they benchamrks are unfare > / meaningless, ets) (2a) Ignore Phoronix, other than explaining concisely why their numbers are complete balderdash. Publish our own benchmarks, done with care and rigour and using well defined, repeatable, peer reviewed methodology that anyone can repeat. Aggressively publicise these results. > (3) Lose [potential] userbase. Indeed. Unfortunately "performance" is /the/ deciding factor in many OS choices, never mind that it is an impossibly complex subject to generalise to a few management-friendly numbers in a one-size-fits-all abstract way. Having only one source of published numbers suggesting that "OS Foo is better" *even if those numbers are completely bogus* will have a disproportionate effect. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig51A31B145ADAD5210DDFB260 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7vACYACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyprwCfdBSflN+g1ON0ZQhfhBNzlyPM eYUAnjgrAFW1/QlDQHwQ0a3Cff5KwHlh =lCiv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig51A31B145ADAD5210DDFB260--