From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 12:59:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B958716A41C for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 12:59:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from trans-warp.net (hyperion.trans-warp.net [216.37.208.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC7243D49 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 12:59:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unverified [65.193.73.208]) by trans-warp.net (SurgeMail 2.2g3) with ESMTP id 11614690 for multiple; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 08:55:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: <200506090739.57892.lane@joeandlane.com> References: <200506091145.j59BjAO6028202@clunix.cl.msu.edu> <200506090739.57892.lane@joeandlane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5341204f22db0c3969e6d161e2fa5b0f@chrononomicon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:59:07 -0400 To: Lane X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Authenticated-User: bsilver@chrononomicon.com Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Very Dissapointed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 12:59:25 -0000 On Jun 9, 2005, at 8:39 AM, Lane wrote: > > As you can see, comparison with MS is not likely to get you any > constructive > input :) Sorry, that's the nature of the BSD! Ya' think? Is it EVER effective to basically say "I'm used to X, Y is different and I'm not used to it, so Y sucks?" Surprise! Other people that do use Y and have the contrary opinion may seem a little less likely to help ya' out if the attitude that is conveyed comes off as "I'm not so sure of this, I don't like what I've seen so far, so I'm only halfheartedly trying...the stuff I'm used to takes less effort and less thinking to use..." I'm not surprised one of the first responses was "TROLL!! HE'S A TROLL! NO ONE BOTHER ANSWERING!" All he really needed to do was email out saying what he's tried, what he's found, and what he's trying to achieve, then ask if anyone's tried it and has had success with it and if so ask if they could help him out. I would think that would have been slightly more effective in eliciting a response from people. Just ranting here. Friday's coming up soon :-) > I don't know the concept "transparent proxy." Hopefully you will > discover > how that works as you build your firewall :) I think a transparent proxy is a proxy that your users didn't know they were going through...their machines use it without any manual configuration to point to it, and usually they don't have a choice. For us, we just did it by just having the DHCP server hand out the Squid/SquidGuard filter as the gateway address for the clients and the Squid/SquidGuard filter then does IP Forwarding to the "real" gateway address.