From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 30 02:28:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B50C106564A for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:28:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanefbsd@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.238]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446F38FC0C for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:28:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanefbsd@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so1860576rvf.43 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:28:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=R6NZuCuzSi/wQicIhsmQjBBZGbFx8kTH+u/e/B1/r9U=; b=LhedLR3gdUessmK7MHk693otxcBce5nchtfcMfPGP80mt0AS8Z6fRI4TiEEsB4Y7v5 ODAXLuaEb9Hf87bFwflVFnxDGneaMgKfbmAsY5feXocrBD20JVB4sshL61lTMDdRtcwx IVKO2Ff2GAQPPwuFuScDurumNWxQgXn5lw/gc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=R3iAuDKTixD/tHKb+b1Wp8Y3+7UNuINSkq5YaEoLKuSbNRS25lXJHCigoZDrQ594+T wryqhBmeI8o2bfLnwy1PL8PrG6RhmfbojQHSGJkjZW8j5JeE0fi6HU5MR4eZ3mQj5ZB9 e0NIt4mfbIrcsXFK9HeEm5Yi9cVrQE+9s+cy4= Received: by 10.142.254.6 with SMTP id b6mr3930858wfi.157.1228012094898; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:28:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.10.3? (adsl-99-139-48-85.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net [99.139.48.85]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm3360362wfd.34.2008.11.29.18.28.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:28:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: Garrett Cooper To: Beech Rintoul In-Reply-To: <200811291515.01962.beech@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:31:56 -0800 References: <20081128234155.0221e263@serene.no-ip.org> <3cb459ed0811291342i524eaab3g1acadcd9cbdb638b@mail.gmail.com> <7d6fde3d0811291556g3f08a814td68466ad02dee4fc@mail.gmail.com> <200811291515.01962.beech@freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Cc: "Conrad J. Sabatier" , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Alexander Churanov Subject: Re: i give up X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:28:15 -0000 On Nov 29, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Beech Rintoul wrote: > On Saturday 29 November 2008 14:56:47 Garrett Cooper wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Alexander Churanov >> >> wrote: >>> Folks! >>> >>> I have some ideas on that. The problem is it's sometimes hard to >>> check >>> that given hardware is supported by FreeBSD, even in case you know >>> and >>> want to do it. The list of supported hardware is often written in >>> terms >>> of chipsets and manufacturers often produce cards using supported >>> chips, >>> but named after their own trademark. >>> >>> For example, at my location one of frequently sold TV card brands is >>> "beholder". It is not in the supported hw list. However, three >>> years ago >>> I've installed ethernet cards named "compex" to PCs and they >>> worked well >>> and were detected as "realtek". Given that, should one try >>> "beholder" tv >>> card in the first place? >>> >>> The solution is to ask someone, or, better, to pay someone for >>> providing >>> that knowledge. Computer shops rarely indicate that hardware is >>> compatible with FreeBSD. Whom to ask/pay? All this leads to idea of >>> creating some organization that will sell FreeBSD compatible PCs and >>> hardware. I'm sure, business like that can not exist , because >>> FreeBSD >>> userbase is not largest. But non-profit organization, would, >>> probably. >>> >>> Currently I have ordinary PC and several years ago it was running >>> Windows, now FreeBSD. Fortunately, all hardware works. Now I am >>> thinking >>> of buying new PC and I would pay 10% extra for a brand PC with a >>> sticker >>> "FreeBSD inside" or "Designed for FreeBSD". A shop like that would >>> also >>> sell 100%-compatible photo cams, remote control units, etc. >>> >>> All of these is highly hypothetical, but probably is possible. 10% >>> is a >>> good donation. >>> >>> Alexander Churanov >> >> There's a hardware compatibility page, but it's probably out of >> date / >> incorrect (I'm sure not all supported hardware is noted there -- >> bsdstats might have more info): >> http://www.freebsd.org/releases/index.html (look under `Hardware >> Notes' for your given release). >> >> My mileage: >> >> - nVidia sucks for use on Unix platforms. Even under Linux I ran into >> a bunch of issues when building my PC last year, and I've discovered >> that if you're going to run Unix, stick to Intel chipsets. >> - nVidia chipsets (from my PoV -- I can be swayed) offer almost zero >> real advantage over Intel chipsets other than SLi. Then again I never >> have and never plan on running 2+ nVidia cards at once. >> >> So unfortunately by purchasing nVidia hardware you're kind of >> beckoning for problems, mostly because their datasheets and specs are >> more closed than Intel. > > I just built a box and used an 8500 GT nVidia clone it's a medium > range card > and is fully supported by FreeBSD. > > Beech I was referring more to complete nVidia chipsets (the north +southbridge variety), not video cards. Video cards have no real issue. -Garrett