From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 23 22:52:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pogo.caustic.org (caustic.org [64.163.147.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7AD37B400 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:52:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jan@localhost) by pogo.caustic.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0O6qEh62036; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:52:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jan@caustic.org) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:52:14 -0800 (PST) From: "f.johan.beisser" X-X-Sender: jan@localhost To: "Matthew D. Fuller" Cc: chip , Terry Lambert , David Schultz , Subject: Re: FreeBSD Intaller (was "Re: ... RedHat ...") In-Reply-To: <20020124004312.A2760@over-yonder.net> Message-ID: <20020123224541.E32624-100000@localhost> X-Ignore: This statement isn't supposed to be read by you X-TO-THE-FBI-CIA-AND-NSA: HI! HOW YA DOIN? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > For instance, when using SLIP (or hardwired PPP or PLIP, I imagine), > you're in deep trouble if you've never done it before. You have to > remember to put in the 'other ifconfig options' section the far-end > address of the link, or it won't work; unless you've manually ifconfig'd > SLIP lines a number of times, you'll forget. Then it'll run slattach. > If you don't get it right the first time, you're screwed, because it'll > never clear the old attachment correctly. Gotta reboot and start over. i think most people doing that level of a fringe install are fairly hardcore users, and they're willing to make those kinds of mistakes. the rare newbie that will do a SLIP install will probably be digging up quite a bit of documentation. after several years of working with, and on, FreeBSD, i can't say i've once had to do a SLIP install, even on "low end" hardware. > As Terry mentioned, there are several ways to foul-up yourself into a > tight little corner in the disk partitioning (and that's if you KNOW what > you're doing. The first time through, it can be kinda hairy just > figuring out what you're doing). And, as Jordan has ranted about on a > few occasions, the UI is painted into a rather small corner by virtue of > the dialog library it uses. Ever have that joy in places like the > 'custom distribution choices' for the custom installation, where you're > not quite sure whether enter or space is select, and the wrong choice > will bump you back menus? i admit, this has happened to me. more often than i care to think about. > And, of course, that's not even getting into the "other" issues which > require a more thorough packaging system to handle correctly (Tried > installing, then installing X? It dumps on a few compat_* sets. Even if > you already installed them. Sucks on a modem, lemme tell ya). no comment. i gave up on doing "direct X installs" in freebsd during the 2.2 series. it's just easier to do from ports, or to install the package. > It works apparently smoothly in the best-case. In most simple-cases, it > won't feel worse than rough-around-the-edges. Start making mistakes, or > trying to get intricate, though, and it feels rather like wearing your > high school sweater to your 30th reunion. i don't find it to be "rough-around-the-edges," if anything, the FreeBSD installer is quick, and relatively painless to handle. given a little reading, and a bit of practice, even the novice user ends up warming up to it. -- jan -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ http://caustic.org/~jan jan@caustic.org "John Ashcroft is really just the reanimated corpse of J. Edgar Hoover." -- Tim Triche To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message