From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 22 23:02:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB6416A417; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:02:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA9113C461; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:02:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6MN2sja057527; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:02:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id l6MN2rCl057526; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:02:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:02:53 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List , Gnome at FreeBSD List , KDE at FreeBSD List Message-ID: <20070722230253.GA57414@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: Observing twenty years of service to the Unix community Cc: Subject: BEL (primarily for vi). X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:02:56 -0000 Apologies for the triple postings, but this is general enough for the -questions list and aimed at the gnome list. It includes a query for the KDE list. I just opened a "konsole", the KDE-hacked xterm, IIRC. I had the BEL set to "system bell" and as with "terminals", vi/vim/and other bell-type things just flashed the screen at me. I do have full-screen flash set up in my Gnome menu settings. Nothing I can do gets the .WAV bell to work under gnome. Long-story-short, just for the heck of it, I tried the next "bell" selection and YES my bell is back when I use vi/nvi/vim. It sounds a bit strange, but at least it is audible. I watch my keyboard and fingers when I type--if I'm not coding--so hearing the bell when I type ESC lets me know absolutely that I'm in command mode. ,My questions: why does this fake (wav) bell work under KDE and not Gnome? The desktop ports are pretty close to identical here (FBSD) as with the Ubuntu fork of Debian. Just FYI. Another question is: why is the natural system spkr disabled in at least the Gnome and KDE managers? What was the rational? In other words, isn't there some default setting that could go into every /boot/loader.conf that would let both the external audio speakers and the dinky system speaker work? The Linux kernel may not have this capability; I don't know. That's why these questions. thanks for any insights, guys. this is enough to make me want to jump back into serious hacking ... well, almost:) gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public Service Unix