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Date:      Wed, 17 Jan 2018 15:14:37 -0800
From:      Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@FreeBSD.org>
To:        John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org>, svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org, Colin Percival <cperciva@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r327447 - head/sys/sys
Message-ID:  <20180117231437.GQ8113@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <8492136.94UhKCrmBg@ralph.baldwin.cx>
References:  <201712312100.vBVL0L0a038783@repo.freebsd.org> <c6194248-8229-b46e-f9c6-0e96bcfeab5a@freebsd.org> <8492136.94UhKCrmBg@ralph.baldwin.cx>

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On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 09:56:09AM -0800, John Baldwin wrote:
J> > this is a recurring issue. Program that want to look into the 
J> > internals of files such as mount.h
J> > and define _KERNEL to allow themselves to do so.  It eventualy leads 
J> > to all sorts of confusion and pollution.
J> > Maybe we should make a policy on how to do this. At $JOB I had to hack 
J> > it to define a
J> > #ifdef _NOTREALLYKERNEL to split out parts we really wanted, but it 
J> > would be better to have specific ones for
J> > various specific 'rule breakers'..
J> > e.g.
J> > #if defined( _KERNEL ) || defined (WANT_TO_LOOK_AT_something)
J> > 
J> > kdump seems ot do the right thing with:
J> > 
J> > kdump/kdump.c:#define _WANT_KERNEL_ERRNO
J> > errno.h:#if defined(_KERNEL) || defined(_WANT_KERNEL_ERRNO)
J> 
J> The past few years we have been using _WANT_FOO when new things need to be
J> exposed and that is our current pattern.  However, that doesn't fix existing
J> code for old things.

As one who added a lot of _WANT_FOOs, I must admit that I don't consider
that a final and clean solution. But this seems to be a lesser evil when
dealing with old code that has multiple dependencies.

New code needs to be written in a fashion that clearly separates kernel
structures from user visible structures, so that no tricks with preprocessor
are needed.

-- 
Gleb Smirnoff



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