From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 30 14:53:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE99766D for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 14:53:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: from bizet.nethelp.no (bizet.nethelp.no [195.1.209.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E02828C8 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 14:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 56196 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2013 14:53:24 -0000 Received: from bizet.nethelp.no (HELO localhost) (195.1.209.33) by bizet.nethelp.no with SMTP; 30 Jul 2013 14:53:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 16:53:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20130730.165324.74695371.sthaug@nethelp.no> To: feld@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Bind in FreeBSD, security advisories From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: <1375193250.26582.3266927.032EF30B@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <20130730.154208.41672901.sthaug@nethelp.no> <1375193250.26582.3266927.032EF30B@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 14:53:26 -0000 > > and every contrib part which is removed, detracts from this. > > > > And every contrib part that is added to base is another piece of > software that rots for the life of a major release and ends up getting > replaced by frustrated endusers with the latest in ports... > > The tight integration of the base system that everyone appreciates and > respects is far below high-level software like BIND. Speaking only for myself, I disagree rather strongly with this. Looking at /usr/src/contrib on an 8.4-STABLE system, I use the following frequently (often several times per day): bind9 diff less libreadline (used by lots of other stuff) ntp nvi tcp_wrappers tcpdump tcsh telnet top traceroute If you remove these contrib parts from FreeBSD, that means at least 12 packages I'd need to install on every new FreeBSD system to get the system in a (for me) functional state. Certainly not a *major* hassle - but having these parts integrated is part of the FreeBSD attraction. I don't think we should work to make FreeBSD less attractive... Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no