From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 12 23:27:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A70106566B for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:27:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mattjeet@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-f49.google.com (mail-qa0-f49.google.com [209.85.216.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA0F8FC19 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:27:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qabj40 with SMTP id j40so885024qab.15 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:27:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ga220ycSf4mlvDuCWnQ71A2J6BTDmOiAAGgMzAH+Olk=; b=mZq4I9bhgYV3eOnduoL1DMaGokxX4r93himhw9ax68HU5CXBIJUP8v+5o98xi3uoEB EKOe2kxvCecsDKUZYwDEN3ojdCx6d0fe4mfmeFseY4YREfAx8ZzJ31pwVqnA+jWgQT+d Lekl8zFss0YPMSuDLpsM8vdSIcmyZx3L3Kx3F2DVBUotn4ekEIj10zNiM2ieV9Vx+QJ6 WNHYkgwS6UUhPFqNZzg8tLxhSonkmPy/Qi9UOqF+/DmqotEXu6SQnzGOtBGsS9FySKfF pMv+KeGHsyLxtmXPcqYfcyNrvD0Et7/P5+WZbJHTz8EOMu4E/hGbOGnPDq+9d9alNt6G GaWA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.188.7 with SMTP id cy7mr23221843qab.34.1339543653101; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Sender: mattjeet@gmail.com Received: by 10.229.249.148 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:27:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20120612011645.GA7807@lonesome.com> <20120612151746.GA33004@DataIX.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:27:33 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: G09xJPyg1EYaQtFpG6QZUiYFsAQ Message-ID: From: Matt Olander To: John Kozubik Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Foundation Board of Directors , Mark Linimon Subject: Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matt@ixsystems.com List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:27:34 -0000 On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Matt Olander wrote: > On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 3:52 PM, John Kozubik wrote: >> >> Hi Matt, >> >> >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Matt Olander wrote: >> >>> So, we've (iXsystems, PC-BSD) been kicking around the idea of a Long >>> Term Supported version of "PC-BSD Server", which is really FreeBSD >>> with some PC-BSD cli tools and perhaps maintaining our own binary >>> update server. While we were thinking of doing this with 9.1, we can >>> consider 8.x. I'll speak with Kris Moore and the rest of the team and >>> find out what it will take. >>> >>> We've hired a contract release engineer with this task in mind but >>> you're right, most of the work will be in backporting. I like the idea >>> of coming up with a number it would take and a plan to do it. We're >>> not the only people with the problem, obviously. >> >> >> >> As a last resort, I would be interested in this, but I'm more interested in >> changing the culture of FreeBSD releases and long-term support in general. >> >> I think that: >> >> a) there are a lot more people out there, that we never hear from, that have >> these same problems, and another "4.x style" release would really help them. >> >> b) there are a lot of people out there that could be drawn into the FreeBSD >> ecosystem if another "4.x style" release existed. >> >> I would much rather donate $10k to a $100k kickstarter and have this be >> "official" than set aside $10k privately for unofficial maintenance, or a >> "fork". > > I understand your position, John. FYI, PC-BSD is not a fork of > FreeBSD. We have someone on re@ as well as security@ and several src > and ports committers. We would backport to the official branch as > necessary, since that's what we use to release PC-BSD. It's really > irrelevant to me who manages the money. I'm just not sure we can start > with 8.x rather than 9.x. > > However, this is pretty much the FreeBSD way. If we want something to > change, we affect the change with our efforts. *looping in the FreeBSD Foundation Board of Directors* As John has suggested, if we come up with some requirements and vote with our wallets, perhaps the Foundation can look into bringing on a couple of people full time to assist with release engineering for a Long-Term Supported release. -matt