Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:27:33 -0700 From: Matt Olander <matt@ixsystems.com> To: John Kozubik <john@kozubik.com> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Foundation Board of Directors <board@freebsdfoundation.org>, Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com> Subject: Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ? Message-ID: <CAK6u07WCB%2B1KPduaNXgvkYECoOOkdWB=e8=a38npXpkKjME%2BsQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAK6u07V6PjzqmUWbkJ=sBpr8A3bekjbjFdAufpsWMDfvbWVNPw@mail.gmail.com> References: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1206111537310.19012@kozubik.com> <20120612011645.GA7807@lonesome.com> <20120612151746.GA33004@DataIX.net> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1206121120560.19012@kozubik.com> <CAK6u07XqvvuQvXF=SN58OinY6Mo-8Z=mtU4vK=V7HAwCUv2Ocw@mail.gmail.com> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1206121545560.19012@kozubik.com> <CAK6u07V6PjzqmUWbkJ=sBpr8A3bekjbjFdAufpsWMDfvbWVNPw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Matt Olander <matt@ixsystems.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 3:52 PM, John Kozubik <john@kozubik.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Matt, >> >> >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Matt Olander wrote: >> >>> So, we've (iXsystems, PC-BSD) been kicking around the idea of a Long >>> Term Supported version of "PC-BSD Server", which is really FreeBSD >>> with some PC-BSD cli tools and perhaps maintaining our own binary >>> update server. While we were thinking of doing this with 9.1, we can >>> consider 8.x. I'll speak with Kris Moore and the rest of the team and >>> find out what it will take. >>> >>> We've hired a contract release engineer with this task in mind but >>> you're right, most of the work will be in backporting. I like the idea >>> of coming up with a number it would take and a plan to do it. We're >>> not the only people with the problem, obviously. >> >> >> >> As a last resort, I would be interested in this, but I'm more interested in >> changing the culture of FreeBSD releases and long-term support in general. >> >> I think that: >> >> a) there are a lot more people out there, that we never hear from, that have >> these same problems, and another "4.x style" release would really help them. >> >> b) there are a lot of people out there that could be drawn into the FreeBSD >> ecosystem if another "4.x style" release existed. >> >> I would much rather donate $10k to a $100k kickstarter and have this be >> "official" than set aside $10k privately for unofficial maintenance, or a >> "fork". > > I understand your position, John. FYI, PC-BSD is not a fork of > FreeBSD. We have someone on re@ as well as security@ and several src > and ports committers. We would backport to the official branch as > necessary, since that's what we use to release PC-BSD. It's really > irrelevant to me who manages the money. I'm just not sure we can start > with 8.x rather than 9.x. > > However, this is pretty much the FreeBSD way. If we want something to > change, we affect the change with our efforts. *looping in the FreeBSD Foundation Board of Directors* As John has suggested, if we come up with some requirements and vote with our wallets, perhaps the Foundation can look into bringing on a couple of people full time to assist with release engineering for a Long-Term Supported release. -matt
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