From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 27 21:21:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57DF016A400 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:21:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9FE643D72 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:21:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.171.127.191] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1FZDvX-0003Qr-Ej; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:21:31 -0600 In-Reply-To: <133B7C75-2681-477B-BC08-1DCF129C28E4@antsclimbtree.com> References: <33BF4116-4A55-4B03-8791-37B4B8ACEB52@antsclimbtree.com> <12AF2FD6-1149-4012-951A-84F55BB1A6F9@wisc.edu> <1CB7FDE1-DAC9-4CB5-8B22-294548AB9651@antsclimbtree.com> <4451305D.1090408@gmail.com> <133B7C75-2681-477B-BC08-1DCF129C28E4@antsclimbtree.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:21:30 -0600 To: Mark Edwards X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.171.127.191 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: "questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Intel Macs and FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:21:46 -0000 On Apr 27, 2006, at 3:10 PM, Mark Edwards wrote: > The Mac Mini is fast, small, quiet, and cheap. Why is it not a > good cheap server? I would only be concerned about the disk depending on what sort of server you are intending to have. I do not know but assume that they still use the laptop 2.5" drives which are not 24/7 rated. Probably doesn't matter for most home servers. Lack of storage space unless you start hooking up external drives. What sort of server are you intending? I am actually thinking about using Mac Mini machines for IMAP and SMTP front ends using NFS mounted backend storage due to their size and low power draw. I can stick many of them in the same place that a 2U rack unit would go and with fans blowing data center A/C air across them there should be no heat issues and with the backend NFS storage, all the actual mail itself would be processed off-disk so the disks would basically get no work out... Chad > > On Apr 27, 2006, at 1:58 PM, John Cruz wrote: > >> A mac mini is an odd machine to make into a server, but no matter. >> I doubt you'll run into any issues with installing it. Darwin is >> nice, but it was developed to be the underlying layer of the >> finder GUI. And the freeBSD ports system is so much nicer than any >> other nix install system that there's no comparison. >> >> -JOhn >> >> Mark Edwards wrote: >>> Because I want to run FreeBSD, not Darwin. This is for a server, >>> not for a desktop. I'm used to FreeBSD, and I am migrating an >>> existing machine over. >>> >>> On Apr 27, 2006, at 1:49 PM, James Riendeau wrote: >>> >>>> Oops. Looks like the URL changed. It is: http:// >>>> opensource.apple.com/ >>>> >>>> -james >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 27, 2006, at 3:47 PM, James Riendeau wrote: >>>> >>>>> Why? Mac OS X has a complete unix freebsd-like core called >>>>> darwin ( http://www.darwin.org ). There's no reason to install >>>>> freebsd on it. Just install Mac Developer Tools (included in >>>>> the Applications folder), compile your favorite progs and go. >>>>> >>>>> James Riendeau >>>>> MMI Computer Support Technician >>>>> 1300 University Ave >>>>> Rm. 436, Dept. of MedMicro >>>>> Madison, WI 53706 >>>>> >>>>> Phone: (608) 262-3351 >>>>> After-hours Phone: (608) 260-2696 >>>>> Fax: (608) 262-8418 >>>>> Email: jtriende@wisc.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 27, 2006, at 3:03 PM, Mark Edwards wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone know if the Intel Macs can boot and install >>>>>> FreeBSD, now that the firmware includes BIOS compatibility? >>>>>> Has anyone seen it happen? >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm thinking of using a Mac Mini as a quiet living-room >>>>>> server. Thanks! >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Mark Edwards >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- >>>>>> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark Edwards >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- >>> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> > > > -- > Mark Edwards > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net