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Date:      Sun, 24 Apr 2011 17:57:03 +0100
From:      "Robert N. M. Watson" <rwatson@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Alexander Motin <mav@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, "Bjoern A. Zeeb" <bz@FreeBSD.org>, src-committers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r220982 - in head: . sys/amd64/conf sys/arm/conf sys/conf sys/i386/conf sys/ia64/conf sys/mips/conf sys/mips/malta sys/pc98/conf sys/powerpc/conf sys/sparc64/conf sys/sun4v/conf
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On 24 Apr 2011, at 12:49, Alexander Motin wrote:

>>> Reverting is not an option. _Constructive_ propositions are welcome.
>>=20
>> It is the policy of this project that the release engineering team =
has
>> final authority over what ships in a release. It is entirely within
>> scope to revert this change for 9.0 if issues with the upgrade path =
are
>> not addressed. My hope also that this path can be entirely avoided
>> through a rapid addressing of upgrade path issues that have been =
known
>> (and discussed on the mailing lists extensively) since you posted =
about
>> the work on the public mailing lists.
>>=20
>> I agree with Bjoern that it is critical to address these issues in a
>> timely manner -- our users depend on reliable and easy upgrades, and =
it
>> seems (on face value) that significant work remains to be done to =
make
>> that possible. Our release is increasingly close, and it's important =
we
>> keep the tree as stable as possible so that merges of other =
straggling
>> features can go uneventfully.
>=20
> I am asking for excuse if my tone was overly strict. It was not my =
real intention to offend anybody. May be inside I am indeed overreacting =
a bit on proposition to revert with no alternative things that I have =
put my heart into, which are broadly accepted by users, which I =
announced on the list few days ago and got no objections. I am sorry for =
that.
>=20
> I do worry about possible complications during migration process. And =
obviously this is not an easy question, as soon as it wasn't solved =
during so much time. I will gladly accept any help or real ideas people =
can provide. I just don't like to feel it my own problem. I am not doing =
it for myself. It would be nice to see some friendly support instead.

Let's be clear: Bjoern didn't say you should revert it immediately. He =
said that the migration path needs to be fixed in the next month (2-4 =
weeks). That leaves plenty of time to resolve these issues, which I =
think the consensus is should have been resolved before committing the =
switch, not after. But given that it's in the tree, let's leave it there =
for now to continue to improve our testing exposure, and try to get it =
fixed as quickly as possible.

Robert=



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