From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mon Oct 17 00:44:18 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02418C14BDF for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2016 00:44:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rosti.bsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf0-x231.google.com (mail-lf0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 757EE116D for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2016 00:44:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rosti.bsd@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf0-x231.google.com with SMTP id b75so258597804lfg.3 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2016 17:44:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=+fLJ9nh7yo8Nrt7B5hIahZG0nWIzxZ8K+JtyK+ASUIg=; b=BNy1qGyC06Hj63l+7sqOvCH4hbfJxtoeyuYKDCajsVCLBXHlX1aWh7OPtdmY24fV3T gKz5VGoZnSDfpxha3EwCZvy/HJmlskBqaUs2drbsXVqhHj4bQ7aGoFR7HWrW5P1zV3ww //BxOX7vu9jVk+sbfiCHFdTcpVsE9pTsO1aqE3U/0N4LNgn+kPlcAAVX+j80QCxnv7ET lR07ju2X6OmkZAOjIWVXNy8LjM/40F1KXw+hg7rFARRE7U60L02toWJr9KksAGi5tsLc edPMnnwTgdwgaLZb5D0zL2us4DMcYQFf9foPzSAs5gjcNDHWM2RjchYhujjy0F4dPNvs JGzg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=+fLJ9nh7yo8Nrt7B5hIahZG0nWIzxZ8K+JtyK+ASUIg=; b=YK683YBLNNldsZLlAdGZc/LR3+XjB62/5t8V7RiizHqnRB7Cs1/9H4thm0jkhll98s 7lYEicIT57wf7HBbNx4l3fTUOD0WqFY+VnKv0qaTmHQwPnt9RmMjtWea/ts06X7bekA+ YMoaS94g23m/DgoCDrZ0+wNEFZ8ScIPz+KDR1InoFu5gsq9/SdPI3U2oOJaS/QvdW8bE xRsX+ebQb72IyK8diQz3VNCbXGbHAA85MUJtt2v1EIoBzYNBVkBDa5CCKoIXyrvb9XbJ SkJPJoidKga28ApUPHblVyhjv4ABJh1/GhBW49GMHUojWPe3m5HkHhAvJWvgenW6oUTr cSqQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RnLq+Ll12FnJQhoXKvw2POnk9liuLIjsy/84UwWvYb9RfM2nngTIT8dd8l7geY8CtOcc01eflQbeEJoHw== X-Received: by 10.28.103.70 with SMTP id b67mr6931249wmc.74.1476665055194; Sun, 16 Oct 2016 17:44:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.158.130 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Oct 2016 17:44:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Rostislav Krasny Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 03:44:14 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: I'm upset about FreeBSD To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 00:44:18 -0000 Hi, I've been using FreeBSD for many years. Not as my main operating system, though. But anyway several bugs and patches were contributed and somebody even added my name into the additional contributors list. That's pleasing but today I tried to install the FreeBSD 11.0 and I'm upset about this operating system. First of all I faced an old problem that I reported here a year ago: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.freebsd.stable/96598 Completely new USB flash drive flashed by the FreeBSD-11.0-RELEASE-i386-mini-memstick.img file kills every Windows again. If I use the Rufus util to write the img file (using DD mode) the Windows dies immediately after the flashing. If I use the Win32DiskImager (suggested by the Handbook) it doesn't reinitialize the USB storage and Windows dies only if I remove and put that USB flash drive again or boot Windows when it is connected. Nothing was done to fix this nasty bug for a year. Ok, I've used the trick and rebooted Windows manually into the BIOS setup right after I flashed the USB disk by the Win32DiskImager. The FreeBSD 11.0 installation has started. I did it on my old computer with MBR disk schema and installed the FreeBSD on the second MBR slice (ada0s2). The installation finished. I changed the BIOS boot configuration back, started to reboot and quickly removed the USB flash drive (I didn't want to kill Windows again). But suddenly my computer appeared unbootable. The new MBR code, that was rewritten without any notation, can't find any OS. I tried to reboot several times. Why bsdinstall doesn't ask about changing the MBR code? Maybe I don't want to change it. Or maybe I want to install the BSD boot manager version of the MBR code (boot0cfg -B). Ok, I booted from the installation USB drive again and ran 'boot0cfg -B ada0'. My computer is bootable again, but only for Windows. If I press F1 the Windows boots properly. If I press F2 or F2 and Enter I see only hash tags. If I reboot after that I see F2 already selected. But if I wait (for F2 - FreeBSD) to the selected OS automatic boot I see the hash tags again. WTF? I've never seen such bugs with boot0 in any previous FreeBSD version. I'm upset. Someone else at my place was throwing the FreeBSD 11.0 installation media far away right after the first problem. What is going on? At least, how to finish the quest? FreeBSD is losing popularity for Linux these days. I think such a bad user experience of very basic use cases is one of the main reason for this loss. Forgive me for saying that, I'm just upset.