From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 23:42:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA24908 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:42:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wankers.net (user-37kbt56.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.244.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA24824 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:42:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Received: from localhost (dex@localhost.mindspring.com [127.0.0.1]) by wankers.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA27890; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:44:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:44:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Dexnation Holodream X-Sender: dex@localhost To: Vince Vielhaber cc: Chris Hill , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Install *actually* friendly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Vince Vielhaber wrote: [snip] > Chris' point above about the floppy and one of the responses I've seen since > then are a good example of what I'm typing about. Why should the poor user > be made to suffer 'cuze it's assumed (either right or wrong) that most people > disable the floppy in BIOS? At the very extreme, ASK THE USER don't decide > for him/her! So you kids know, the floppy controller and the floppy disk are in all kernels by default. They're just not in the fstab by default. Sure, there should be a "novice" set of /etc files that allow for mount /floppy, but don't forget that a novice user will most likely run into the problem that the disk they're trying to mount on /floppy is msdosfs, which means they're need either mount_msdos /floppy or mount -t msdos /floppy, anyway. In plain english, sure, we could cater to a little bit more to the novice user, but they're still going to run into some very basic problems. Now, if we spruce up the documentation, then, if they're smart enough to RTFM, and we put a few tutorials in, we'd be 10x better off, having created a set of slightly more clueful users. Just my $.02... -Jon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message