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If this code is removed, I will have to spend a l= ot of time redoing much of my project's code. Your buildway now is something like: 1. patch source (variant A) 2. make build... 3. make installworld/kernel to xxx/prepared-system=20 4. make iso from prepared-system if I understand correctly. First of all I don't think that 'installworld' will gone in FreeBSD-16. With basepkg it will transform to something: 1. patch source (variant B) 2. make build... 3. make update-packages REPODIR=3D/var/some/bpkg 4. pkg add -r xxx/prepared-system /var/some/bpkg/Y 5. make iso from prepared-system You will populate prepared-system directory by executing pkg, not by instal= lworld/kernel. For now pkg really(!) work from local dir repositories. You do not need to = setup any sftp/http servers over it. As for me I construct xxx/prepared-system by: a) install basepackages; b) install normal packages; c) shaping it by placing new files and modifying existing for special needs= (really, just 'cp -rf myfiles/* xxx/prepared-systems') Base packages installed from what you get on step 3. Normal packages are fr= om poudriere created repository. As for your source patches (variant B) its will be changed because of new c= oncept. You do not need to exclude from building things that you do not want. Just = do not install its on step 4. I use plists (package lists) for specifying what to install. In attachement you will see=20 full14pblist.txt - base packages maked by buildworld/update-packages. baseP1.plist.txt - base packages for system on VPS with special kernel VPS. hostP1.plist.txt - normal packages to be installed I have a small script that install each line of this list in specified dir. So I do something like: ./instpkgs -r prepared-system -b 14 -f basepkgs/nehalem/FreeBSD:14:amd64/la= test baseP1.plist.txt ./instpkgs -r prepared-system -f /usr/local/poudriere/data/packages/nehalem= /host14 hostP1.plist.txt Then prepared-system directory contain ready to use system. I think you catch the idea. > =D0=BF=D1=8F=D1=82=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=86=D0=B0, 6 =D1=84=D0=B5=D0=B2=D1=80=D0= =B0=D0=BB=D1=8F 2026 =D0=B3., 1:35 =D0=9F=D0=9F, Anthony Pankov =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB: >> Hello hackee, >>=20 >> Friday, February 6, 2026, 4:06:36 PM, you wrote: >>=20 >> > Hello guys! >>=20 >> > As far as I understand, FreeBSD 16 is planned to drop distsets support= and move entirely to pkgbase. I am writing to ask you to reconsider this d= ecision. >> > I maintain a small FreeBSD-based project for my own hardware ( for amd= 64 platform, code can be seen here: https://github.com/h4ckee/CoreBSD ), th= at depends heavily on distsets, and migrating it to a pkgbase-only model wo= uld be highly inconvenient. I build custom compact ISO image based on that = code. My equipment is for personal use, laptops and a server, but I'm hopin= g to create a small storage solution based on the compact FreeBSD distribut= ion and may use it on my employer's equipment. There are also other compani= es and projects that use FreeBSD to build their own distributions=E2=80=94s= uch as appliances and embedded systems=E2=80=94that similarly rely on dists= ets. I would like to propose keeping distsets intact while continuing to of= fer pkgbase as an alternative for those who wish to use it, in the same way= it is done in the FreeBSD 15 release. I hope you will consider this reques= t favorably. >>=20 >>=20 >> Can you describe more precisely what you are worry about? As of https://= github.com/h4ckee/CoreBSD you build your system from sources and I don't fu= lly understand what can prevent you to do the same later. >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> Best regards, >> Anthony Pankov --=20 Best regards, Anthony Pankov mailto:anthony.pankov@yahoo.com ------------08704E17806A58383 Content-Type: text/plain; name="full14pblist.txt" Content-transfer-encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="full14pblist.txt" RnJlZUJTRC1hY2N0CkZyZWVCU0QtYWNjdC1kYmcKRnJlZUJTRC1hY2N0LW1hbgpGcmVlQlNE LWFjcGkKRnJlZUJTRC1hY3BpLWRiZwpGcmVlQlNELWFjcGktbWFuCkZyZWVCU0QtYXBtCkZy ZWVCU0QtYXBtLWRiZwpGcmVlQlNELWFwbS1tYW4KRnJlZUJTRC1hdApGcmVlQlNELWF0LWRi ZwpGcmVlQlNELWF0LW1hbgpGcmVlQlNELWF1dG9mcwpGcmVlQlNELWF1dG9mcy1kYmcKRnJl ZUJTRC1hdXRvZnMtbWFuCkZyZWVCU0QtYmh5dmUKRnJlZUJTRC1iaHl2ZS1kYmcKRnJlZUJT RC1iaHl2ZS1tYW4KRnJlZUJTRC1ibG9ja2xpc3QKRnJlZUJTRC1ibG9ja2xpc3QtZGJnCkZy ZWVCU0QtYmxvY2tsaXN0LWRldgpGcmVlQlNELWJsb2NrbGlzdC1tYW4KRnJlZUJTRC1ibHVl 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