From nobody Mon Oct 6 05:39:40 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cg7Pp07Tnz69l6G for ; Mon, 06 Oct 2025 05:39:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 01000199b8085f1a-e96b3fab-b66c-40d9-9ac6-42965b435b15-000000@amazonses.com) Received: from a8-60.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-60.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.60]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cg7Pn3XqVz3HKN for ; Mon, 06 Oct 2025 05:39:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 01000199b8085f1a-e96b3fab-b66c-40d9-9ac6-42965b435b15-000000@amazonses.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=vnqrkfnvu6csdl6mwgk5t6ix3nnepx57; d=tarsnap.com; t=1759729180; 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Feedback-ID: ::1.us-east-1.Lv9FVjaNvvR5llaqfLoOVbo2VxOELl7cjN0AOyXnPlk=:AmazonSES X-SES-Outgoing: 2025.10.06-54.240.8.60 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14618, ipnet:54.240.8.0/21, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cg7Pn3XqVz3HKN On 10/5/25 22:30, Mark Millard wrote: > Lexi Winter wrote on > Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2025 02:03:17 UTC : > >> in 15.0 we will ship pkgbase as an alternative to the dist sets for base >> system installation. pkgbase is entirely optional and for at least 15.0, >> we will continue to support dist set installation with freebsd-update. >> >> . . . > > This seems to also be an announcement of a change to what the 15.0 > draft release notes ( https://www.freebsd.org/releases/15.0R/relnotes/ ) > have said: > > QUOTE > FreeBSD Update is probably not going to exist in 15.0-RELEASE! The text > below is boilerplate from previous releases and should be replaced with > instructions for using pkgbase once those are finalized. > END QUOTE > > It would be good for the draft to have its "probably" status for this > switched at some point. Yeah, I'll definitely fix that before the release. Plans have changed and in particular we've determined that -- since we can ship DVD images with identical binaries via dist sets and packages -- supporting "legacy" FreeBSD Update in 15.x should be reasonably straightforward. (This was hinted at in my earlier announcement about the timeline for deprecation of dist sets.) -- Colin Percival FreeBSD Release Engineering Lead & EC2 platform maintainer Founder, Tarsnap | www.tarsnap.com | Online backups for the truly paranoid