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Date:      Sun, 1 Apr 2001 18:05:46 -0500
From:      Glenn Johnson <glennpj@charter.net>
To:        Randall Hopper <aa8vb@nc.rr.com>
Cc:        Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm@toybox.placo.com>, Edwin Groothuis <edwin@mavetju.org>, questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: ARG!!! 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostnam
Message-ID:  <20010401180546.A90224@gforce.johnson.home>
In-Reply-To: <20010401181656.C6987@nc.rr.com>; from aa8vb@nc.rr.com on Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 06:16:56PM -0400
References:  <20010401173827.A6951@nc.rr.com> <004a01c0baf5$8b8e8160$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <20010401181656.C6987@nc.rr.com>

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On Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 06:16:56PM -0400, Randall Hopper wrote:

> Ted Mittelstaedt:
>
>  |>Seeing how that is the default sendmail config, it locks all but
>  |>sendmail hackers and the most persistent users off the FreeBSD
>  |>lists (newbies can just forget it).  They can't even mail to the
>  |>lists to get help with the problem.
>  |
>  |This is rubbish.  If you were running Windows you wouldn't have
>  |problems - and you know why - because your Windows mail clients
>  |relay through the RoadRunner mailserver.
>  |
>  |It is extremely simple to make your FreeBSD system act like a
>  |Windows client ...DS macro in sendmail.cf, it's right under the line
>  |that sayd "Smart relay host"
>
> I don't think it's worth a flame war over this.  But to clarify, I
> was talking about FreeBSD users, so Windows mail clients is a bit
> immaterial (unless they're multibooting, and doing it a bunch, to both
> configure FreeBSD and to send mail).
>
> Also, some UNIX mail clients (Netscape Communicator for one I believe)
> will ask for the SMTP server to use to relay mail.  So users's are in
> good stead there if they opt for those clients.
>
> But many other UNIX mail readers simply invoke the local sendmail to
> deliver the message.  This requires DS macro changes or rebuilding
> sendmail.cf, not the type of hacking a newbie user will know about.
> That was my point.

This is true but I would think that most newbies would opt for a GUI
mail client which would get the SMTP server as part of the setup.  That
said, what about an option to sysinstall to enter the mail relay server
to use and have this placed into the sendmail.cf file.  I know at least
one Linux distribution does this.

-- 
Glenn Johnson
glennpj@charter.net

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