From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 9 22:37:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456D816A4E2 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:37:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from snafu.adept.org (adsl-67-117-158-73.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [67.117.158.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1395543D54 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:37:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@adept.org) Received: by snafu.adept.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6CB379EEE8; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:36:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snafu.adept.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 382879B148; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:36:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:36:53 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Hoskins To: Narvi In-Reply-To: <20040309163120.L68396@haldjas.folklore.ee> Message-ID: <20040309222946.S87362@snafu.adept.org> References: <20040308210331.CDPV20549.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp.bellnexxia.net> <20040309163120.L68396@haldjas.folklore.ee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: Willie Viljoen Subject: Re: Desktop FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 06:37:00 -0000 On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Narvi wrote: > Not in numbers by any means. true. > And like with Solaris, if anything, the marketshare is decreasing. untrue. > Huh? you are completely off your rocker - being able to do a desktop > install - and having the OS behave rationaly in a desktop environment does > not in any way maen that it needs to always install X. great, so we all agree. either write a perfect joe-sixpack-desktop installer (keeping it modular and easily removed as mentioned), pay someone to do it, or quit wasting bandwidth. (please.) > It means no more or > less that when on a desktop machine, the OS should behave apprropriately, > including automaticly detectinga nd loading sound, finding mouse, having a > resonable set of desktop apps installed, using a printing system and so > on. who said i have a sound card in my server? or a mouse? his point was, there are two different directions, often with different goals. i think most sane people would agree. that doesn't mean we can't come up with a great desktop/install/whatever, and it doesn't mean the current system is useless for everyone. quit overgeneralizing... you're reminding me why it's a bad idea to subscribe to advocacy. > Windows is not a fringe server OS - do you know what percenatge of > worldwide servers - whetever web or not are running windows? This is not > 1995 any more. i've got over 700 servers in production. none are windows. i have many friends with similar setups... so his point remains valid. m$ is loosing market share, that's why they've had to start directly targeting linux in enterprise mags and on large billboards in the valley. that costs money, i wonder why billy boy bothers? because he's loosing customers. so don't waste time arguing something that's obvious by looking around... get back to writing that dream installer/desktop. and if you can't write it... that's OK. not everyone's a developer, or has oodles of free time. put together some requirements (ones that won't be laughed at by real developers would be nice), and start a paypal fund... then you'll actually be helping the project, which you seem to care so much about. (great, but just talking a lot doesn't help anyone.) -m -- "Information Warfare? Given the state of the industry, what we need is Information Welfare." --Richard A Steenbergen