From nobody Sun Dec 25 18:23:23 2022 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Ng8Rz0CXRz1HBnt for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2022 18:23:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@proulx.com) Received: from havoc.proulx.com (havoc.proulx.com [96.88.95.61]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Ng8Ry0jZPz3JWy for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2022 18:23:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@proulx.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=proulx.com header.s=dkim2048 header.b="p/Zcw0Ki"; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bob@proulx.com designates 96.88.95.61 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bob@proulx.com; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=proulx.com Received: from joseki.proulx.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by havoc.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53C82CC for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2022 11:23:23 -0700 (MST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proulx.com; s=dkim2048; t=1671992603; bh=jaMbxbMi9XtwFU7lufWZj3gUCAhH2mUDp952X6ksGdc=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=p/Zcw0KiogczC8+E2K5d05qiWAoVdGdu+EPkxK/KVs6XnHdHu02ZjU+S13DGDvmph 8ZycJKMq4FIs/TYpLV/KjIv5zgHiTXc8Kt6MpdwJ3jZk2vqfUIjKu5jXj1xsGneXGj aD5SOIFAXAHqxWLtPtI+Iy6XKKzwwzjbgKYW5YvyjqnjUiwx1QtZfGsmK3XevLg9ZN OKfhfxpjSvqgcwszS3kAxwtZV7348CfMQpUsMl+XJPjvf19vQiqtvoJgXKRnRoATuQ dzpgTLxrprv6VyCl0SR8OSowGh225kG5wOKFlvuS/KI3ZRbwClRLHjQkT4KoV0HoR8 dBArZ76gyEpVw== Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9F687A00E for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2022 11:23:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B0A3669262A6; Sun, 25 Dec 2022 11:23:23 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2022 11:23:23 -0700 From: Bob Proulx To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slight OT: Making Firefox behave the same on FreeBSD and windows Message-ID: <20221225110429895202411@bob.proulx.com> References: <20221223120153244758626@bob.proulx.com> <20221224112249N@bob.proulx.com> <6198A5D4-A3CA-4D59-8947-884EE5D7F874@nimnet.asn.au> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6198A5D4-A3CA-4D59-8947-884EE5D7F874@nimnet.asn.au> X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.97 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.993]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.975]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[proulx.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[proulx.com:s=dkim2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[proulx.com:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7922, ipnet:96.64.0.0/11, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Ng8Ry0jZPz3JWy X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Ian Smith wrote: > Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > It seems like there are enough people with this issue that if we > > complain collectively (petition?) to chase that they might fix the > > problem on their end. Now the question is this a framework issue > > for them and if so who made the framework (i.e. so other sites work > > also) and we should complain to them. > > I think you've mis-parsed the issue, which is that some corporations > seek to exclude use by their clients of products of other than those > who fit their BigCorp image. I think the problem is reversed. No way to know without knowing and I do not know but I will GUESS here that they are not excluding FreeBSD. I will guess that they are including *only* Windows and other known things there and just haven't enumerated the world. Because it is hard to enumerate all things. Pseudocode for my guess at the way it is working. if $system in (Windows|Macintosh|Android|Linux) then echo "Okay. Systems we accept." else echo "Are you a bot? Deny all unknowns." I doubt they are excluding FreeBSD in particular. I would guess that if their code base were grep'd for FreeBSD they would not find any matches. It's just not being included. Along with many others. I think someone wanted to keep Googlebot out of the login page and thought it was a good idea to allow only known non-bot things and probably started with Windows and then added in Macintosh and then probably added in Android as being forgotten and then one of the developers also used Linux so that got added into the list. And I'll add to say thankfully that developer used Linux because otherwise we would not have even that one in the allowed list. That's my guess at how this will have arrived at this point. And probably all in a misguided attempt to keep bots like Googlebot and Yandex and other web crawlers out of their login page. Bob