From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 23 19:48:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302A716A4CE for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:48:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00CE43D48 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:48:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from [206.255.31.21] (helo=yoda.datawok.com) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1D42Ub-0004UN-1z; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:48:17 -0500 From: "Andrew L. Gould" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:48:59 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20050223114119.0e37b8e7@jacob.6texans.net> <77014819.20050223194647@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <77014819.20050223194647@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502231348.59409.algould@datawok.com> X-ELNK-Trace: ee791d459e3d6817d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bce5a1431b2fcb9ef208a003126c9ee933350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.255.31.21 cc: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: Different OS's? Marketshare X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:48:18 -0000 On Wednesday 23 February 2005 12:46 pm, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Jacob S writes: > > Good. I'm glad to see the average Windows user looking around the > > computer store still gets to see an alternative once in a while. > > I'm pretty sure I've seen Mandrake, SuSE, RedHat, Fedora, and a > couple of other Linux versions in computer stores. > > A few years ago, I bought my first copy of FreeBSD (4.3) in a > computer store. Now I can't find FreeBSD anywhere; I had to burn my > own CD from a download to install 5.3. You can still find FreeBSD at Fry's Electronics and MicroCenter. I don't know if CompUSA still carries it. I have mixed feelings about FreeBSD 5.0-5.2.1 being sold in the retail market. > > > So, where on www.debian.org do you see them trying to sell > > something? > > On the first page, with the ad for XS4ALL. If you click on "Getting > Debian," the first option given is purchase of the CDs. > > > But Linux was compared to Microsoft, which would indicate that some > > consider it to be giving in to evil influences. > > I don't think the trend towards commercialism is healthy, noble, or > altruistic, although it's understandable. But it's a bit > hypocritical of Linux fans to claim disdain for the Microsoft-style > business model when they are following precisely in Microsoft's > footsteps themselves. Of course, this was inevitable, but the Linux > crowd never understood that. This oversimplification is so flawed that I'm not sure how to best respond... ...but I'll try: ;-) First, Microsoft is a monopoly that has been found, in court, to have used unethical business practices. Second, the motivation behind the creation of Windows focused more on a marketing plan than good design principles (you know: security and stuff). I see no similarity between Microsoft and Open Source OS vendors on either of these points. Third, the beauty of capitalism is that good can come from profit motive. (See: Adam Smith's "invisible hand".) Let's face it, without commercialism, Linux development would not have benefited from the likes of IBM or HP. Likewise, without commercialism, there would be very few, if any, *BSD or Linux developers performing open source development for a living. The money has to come from somewhere. Fourth, I appreciate all the hard work that goes into developing and packaging an operating system and its related applications. I am happy to pay for the convenience of an operating system on a DVD. It's only fair that the vendor be able to recover cost. If earning a little profit motivates them to continue providing a great service, all the better. Andrew Gould