From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 7 11:21:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982E216A4CE for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 11:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from destiny.chrononomicon.com (mail.chrononomicon.com [65.193.73.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDA643D4C for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 11:21:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (destiny.chrononomicon.com [192.168.1.42]) by destiny.chrononomicon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371261FDFF; Fri, 7 May 2004 14:21:25 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <409BD183.50707@ukug.uk.freebsd.org> References: <200405071712.i47HCEp10601@akiva.homer.att.com> <409BC9FF.1030301@ukug.uk.freebsd.org> <828AC69D-A050-11D8-8CAE-000A956D2452@chrononomicon.com> <409BD183.50707@ukug.uk.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <582134F0-A053-11D8-8CAE-000A956D2452@chrononomicon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 14:21:22 -0400 To: Mark Ovens X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ntfs mount X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 18:21:50 -0000 On May 7, 2004, at 2:12 PM, Mark Ovens wrote: > Bart Silverstrim wrote: > >> On May 7, 2004, at 1:40 PM, Mark Ovens wrote: >>> J. W. Ballantine wrote: >>>> It a Dell, but given the configuration, i do not believe it came >>>> pre-installed from the factory. >>> >>> I would have thought that a Dell would have had *an* OS >>> pre-installed. >>> >> Not always. I am running FBSD 4.9 on a couple Dell 2650's ordered >> just for the purpose of installing FreeBSD on them for some of our >> server use...you can specify *no operating system* and they ship you >> the system and rails with nothing but the hard drives configured for >> RAID on the PERC controller. No fuss, no muss :-) > > That's good to know :-) Does it only apply to servers, or can you get > desktop machines /sans/ OS? > I don't know for sure to give an authoritative answer; if you call them for ordering, you should be able to cajole them into it. We may get different treatment because we're a school and they like us calling them back when another project needs another server (I think educational institutions are considered businesses by Dell, so we can all our sales rep and they seem to be able to work whatever magic we want for configurations when we make it clear that's what we want). Dell doesn't make systems, IIRC, until they are ordered...read something about how it cuts down on inventory left in warehouses and allows for customization...so I don't see why they couldn't make a desktop system sans OS.