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From: Ian Lepore To: Warner Losh , Emmanuel Vadot Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2019 09:27:01 -0600 In-Reply-To: References: <68790975-a5a5-2138-ca89-117878d6cf2d@gmail.com> <20190606220639.GE13546@eldorado> <8126fa4ae0ca650ca12f28dd538e6e8c4e81b432.camel@freebsd.org> <2852b9da-e647-69a7-3218-88cfa500eadc@gmail.com> <20190607171001.636efb2598ab9c88635973b6@bidouilliste.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5 FreeBSD GNOME Team Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2688976B4E X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.98 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.984,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:52.28.0.0/16, country:US] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2019 15:27:10 -0000 On Fri, 2019-06-07 at 09:17 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 9:11 AM Emmanuel Vadot > wrote: > > > On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 08:58:49 -0600 > > Ian Lepore wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 2019-06-07 at 02:08 -0700, Nicola Mingotti wrote: > > > > > > > > On 6/6/19 3:40 PM, Ian Lepore wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 2019-06-06 at 16:06 -0600, Sergey Manucharian wrote: > > > > > > Excerpts from Nicola Mingotti's message from Thu 06-Jun-19 > > > > > > 12:33: > > > > > > > In my BeagleBone Black, FreeBSD-12 RELEASE, i created two > > > > > > > overlays, > > > > > > > pwm.dtso and pwm1.dtso. They enable the PWM pins p9.21, > > > > > > > p9.22 > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > respectively p9.14, p9.16. DTSO files are below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I load both the DTBO at boot I see > > > > > > > correctly|ehrpwm.0|and|ehrpwm.1|, > > > > > > > associated to the correct pins. But, if i remove the > > > > > > > overlay|pwm.dtbo|then i seen only|ehrpwm.0|in|sysctl -a|, > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > what i want, i would like to see the name|ehrpwm.1|. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is important because i must be 100% sure a certain > > > > > > > pin > > > > > > > corresponds > > > > > > > the a certain tunable.This must be true even if i remove > > > > > > > non > > > > > > > relevant > > > > > > > overlays in the future. I guess there must be some > > > > > > > parameter in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > DTSO > > > > > > > which i don't know, i hope you can give me some > > > > > > > directions > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not related to your DTBO's. That's how everything > > > > > > works (at > > > > > > least > > > > > > by default). You will see the same naming issue with serial > > > > > > ports, > > > > > > for > > > > > > example. And not just in BBB. > > > > > > > > > > > > E.g. when I have enabled uart0 and uart2 they are named > > > > > > ttyu0 and > > > > > > ttyu1, > > > > > > if I have only uart2, it becomes ttyu0. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's easier if there is a device node in /dev, so you can > > > > > > create > > > > > > a > > > > > > symlink > > > > > > with a fixed name (I have a script called by devd for my > > > > > > multiple > > > > > > serial > > > > > > ports). However, that's not the case with PWM... > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe there is an option to use persistent names for > > > > > > devices that > > > > > > somebody > > > > > > can point to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope, there's no magic thing you're missing that fixes > > > > > this. Devices > > > > > get named-and-numbered based on the order of instantiation. > > > > > > > > > > Since what really matters here is the sysctl names, we could > > > > > change > > > > > the > > > > > driver to install the sysctl nodes using the fdt device node > > > > > names > > > > > instead of the freebsd newbus device names. Hmm, actually, > > > > > since > > > > > people may be relying on the current names, I guess what we'd > > > > > have > > > > > to > > > > > do is install another set of sysctl names based on fdt name > > > > > (basically > > > > > a set of alias names). > > > > > > > > > > -- Ian > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see, I agree changing the default naming scheme may damage > > > > who is > > > > relaying on it. It is not a good idea. Maybe it could be > > > > implemented > > > > in > > > > release 13. > > > > > > > > To Sergey. I used devd in the past, it works well. But i would > > > > prefer > > > > not to use it in this case, even if I had a /dev/xyz file > > > > available. > > > > The > > > > reason is that the /dev/xyz file would appear before the the > > > > devd > > > > daemon > > > > starts up (i guess), so the case would not stricly be covered > > > > by > > > > what > > > > the devd man page says devd should do. > > > > $> man devd > > > > => " ... Whenever a device is added to or removed from the > > > > device > > > > tree ... " > > > > > > > > To Ian. The idea of the alias seems good. I don't know at all > > > > what > > > > you > > > > can manage to do at the kernel level with the tunables. I > > > > imagine > > > > something like |dev.alias.am335x_ehrpwm.1| which actually > > > > refers to > > > > > EHRPWM1| not the second |ehrpwm| that got plugged into the > > > > > system > > > > > via > > > > > > > > overlay. > > > > > > > > Thank you for your answers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dev.* hierarchy is managed by newbus; what I was picturing > > > was > > > something like hw.ehrpwm1.freq and so on, settable as either > > > tunable or > > > sysctl. But it turns out ehrpwm1 is just a label in the dts, not > > > accessible at runtime. The actual node name is just 'pwm' and > > > really, > > > nothing prevents upstream from changing that name on a whim next > > > time > > > we import new dts files. (And linux sure seems to have a lot of > > > arbitrary whims when it comes to changing dts.) > > > > Relying on the name is clearly not a good idea, especially for TI > > since they change stuff A LOT. > > > > > Since an overlay is required to use this stuff anyway, I'm now > > > thinking > > > a custom property in the overlay that names the sysctl nodes > > > might be a > > > good option. So you'd add a property like: > > > > > > &ehrpwm0 { > > > status = "okay"; > > > pinctrl-names = "default"; > > > pinctrl-0 = <&ehrpwm0_AB_pins>; > > > freebsd,sysctl = "backlight"; > > > }; > > > > > > And that would make it install names like hw.backlight.freq and > > > hw.backlight.period and so on. If you don't add that property, > > > it just > > > installs the names it uses now (dev.ehrpwm.*) for compatibility. > > > > > > -- Ian > > > > What would be better is to add support to the pwm(9) api for this > > driver and make the api and pwm(8) using the "pwm-names" property which > > is a standard one from the bindings. > > > > For this specific case, I think that's great. I'd go farther than say we > should have the FDT/OFW node name, if any, associated with something like > dev...node_name. > > You mean something like this? :) dev.imx6_anatop.0.%pnpinfo: name=anatop@20c8000 compat=fsl,imx6q-anatop That works great if you already know the newbus name and unit and want to relate it back to fdt. What we don't have is a way to get back to the dev...* oids if all you know is the fdt node name. Something like hw.fdt.xref.= But I suspect the character set for oid names is more constrained than that of fdt node names. At least, I've never seen a sysctl name with an '@' in it before. -- Ian