From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Oct 15 21:33:01 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA25368 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 21:33:01 -0700 Received: from sovcom.kiae.su (sovcom.kiae.su [144.206.136.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA25354 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 21:32:56 -0700 Received: by sovcom.kiae.su id AA26575 (5.65.kiae-1 ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 07:24:18 +0300 Received: by sovcom.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Mon, 16 Oct 95 07:24:18 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by ache.dialup.demos.ru (8.6.11/8.6.9) id HAA00242; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 07:21:56 +0300 To: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" Cc: hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org References: <199510160100.VAA06828@exalt.x.org> In-Reply-To: ; from =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= at Mon, 16 Oct 1995 04:13:55 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 07:21:56 +0300 (MSK) X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.40 FreeBSD] From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= (aka Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage) X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: A couple problems in FreeBSD 2.1.0-950922-SNAP Lines: 26 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1126 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >In message <199510160100.VAA06828@exalt.x.org> Kaleb S. KEITHLEY > writes: >>> If you want 8859-1, just use proper locale. >>A nice suggestion. Too bad it doesn't work. ANSI/POSIX1 say that a >>program does the equivalent of setlocale(LC_ALL, "C") on startup. Given >>that ls, and I gather everything else, disregard my LANG, LC_ALL, and >>LC_CTYPE environment variables, I'm left wondering how it is you think >>that using the "proper locale" will help. Are you assuming that I'm >>using the undocumented hack of setting the ENABLE_STARTUP_LOCALE >>environment variable? Briefly says, I disagree with default table propogation to 8859-1 (well, maybe agree with propogation to KOI8-R :-) because: 1) It violates POSIX default "C" locale description. 2) It breaks all >=8bit charsets which names != 8859-1. Pretty enough. -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849