From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 20:17:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 310B851A; Tue, 1 Apr 2014 20:17:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx.waitman.net (mx.waitman.net [136.0.16.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0A376F; Tue, 1 Apr 2014 20:17:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mx.waitman.net (Postfix, from userid 2) id 99177463A4; Tue, 1 Apr 2014 05:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 70.90.171.37 by mx.waitman.net with HTTP; Tue, 1 Apr 2014 05:25:14 -0700 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 05:25:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Leaving the Desktop Market From: "Waitman Gobble" To: "Andreas Nilsson" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.2 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 01 Apr 2014 21:06:29 +0000 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org, "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , Jordan Hubbard X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: uzimac@da3m0n8t3r.com List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2014 20:17:27 -0000 On Tue, April 1, 2014 11:59 am, Andreas Nilsson wrote: > On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Matt Olander wrote: > > >> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Jordan Hubbard >> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the >>>> desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be "year of the >>>> Linux >>>> desktop" and start to rip out the pieces of the OS not needed for >>>> server or embedded use. >>>> >>>> Some of you may point to PCBSD and say that we have a chance, but I >>>> must ask you: how does one flavor stand up to the thousands in the >>>> Linux world? >>>> >>> >>> The fact that this posting comes out on April 1st makes me wonder if >>> >> it's just an elaborate April Fool's joke, but then the notion of *BSD >> (or >> Linux, for that matter) on the Desktop is just another long-running >> April >> fool's joke, so I'm willing to postulate that two April Fools jokes >> would simply cancel each other out and make this posting a serious one >> again. :-) >>> >>> I'll choose to be serious and say what I'm about to say in spite of >>> the >> fact that I work for the primary sponsor of PC-BSD and actually like >> the fact that it has created some interesting technologies like PBIs, >> the Jail Warden, Life-preserver and a ZFS boot environment menu. >> >>> >>> There is no such thing as a desktop market for *BSD or Linux. There >>> >> never has been and there never will be. Why do you think we chose >> "the >> power to serve" as FreeBSD's first marketing slogan? It makes a fine >> server OS and it's easy to defend its role in the server room. It's >> also becoming easier to defend its role as an embedded OS, which is >> another excellent niche to pursue and I am happy to see all the recent >> developments there. >>> >>> A desktop? Unless you consider Mac OS X to be "BSD on the desktop" >>> (and >>> >> while they share some common technologies, it's increasingly a stretch >> to say that), it's just never going to happen for (at least) the >> following reasons: >> >> >> As you may imagine, I completely disagree! The Internet just had it's >> 20th birthday (it can't even drink yet!) and it's anyone's game. >> >> >> This is like trying to predict automobile technology and dominant >> car-makers by 1905. There's always room for competition. Take a look at >> what's happening right now in the auto-industry. Tesla came out of >> nowhere 125 years after the invention of the automobile and is doing >> pretty well. >> >> I bet there were a lot of people at Apple saying they couldn't compete >> in the music-player market, or the mobile-phone market, etc. >> >> In fact, if I look at the stats on freenas.org, we have about 350k >> visitors each month, with nearly 2% of them running FreeBSD and clearly >> using it to surf the internet. Sounds like a market to me! >> > > Seeing this I could not resist: > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/which-operating-system > > > >> >> Long live the FreeBSD desktop, long live PC-BSD :P >> >> > Let them prosper! > > > Seriously, though. There are shortcomings, sure. But I tend to prefer the > rock solid feature rich base with a somewhat shaky desktop experience > than the other alternatives. > > Sure I would like to see a FreeBSD pulseaudio compatible sound server. > And > perhaps a template library for pinout configs for snd-cards. And "native" > flash, although I say "flash, no thank you" > > Perhaps companies such as Netflix could release FreeBSD clients ahead of > linux clients ;) > > I can also say that I recently got a friend to migrate from linux on both > his home server as well as his laptop. He is very happy with the change. > > > Cheers > Andreas > > > > >> Cheers, >> -matt >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > re pulseaudio: I've had luck reading the raw PCM data from the /dev/dsp* devices, storing in postgres (bytea), then later playing back to /dev/dsp.. 'streaming' to another system (maybe pgsql as el intermedio?) would be pretty simple. In this scenario there is no Alsa requirement, which works for me :) -- Waitman Gobble San Jose California USA +1.510-830-7975