From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 9 04:00:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200161065676; Mon, 9 Feb 2009 04:00:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Received: from sippysoft.com (gk1.360sip.com [72.236.70.240]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2D98FC12; Mon, 9 Feb 2009 04:00:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.1.38] (S0106001372fd1e07.vs.shawcable.net [70.71.171.106]) (authenticated bits=0) by sippysoft.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1940Bhd034972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 8 Feb 2009 20:00:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <498FAA44.9050105@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 20:00:04 -0800 From: Maxim Sobolev Organization: Sippy Software, Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gavin Atkinson References: <20090206045349.GQ78804@elvis.mu.org> <498C013B.4000405@FreeBSD.org> <20090208052110.GY78804@elvis.mu.org> <1234119008.7997.32.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <1234119008.7997.32.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-U; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: usb@FreeBSD.org, Alfred Perlstein , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP usb2/usb4bsd to become default in GENERIC X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 04:00:14 -0000 Gavin Atkinson wrote: > On Sat, 2009-02-07 at 21:21 -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: >> * Maxim Sobolev [090206 01:50] wrote: >>> Alfred Perlstein wrote: >>>> - Update GENERIC to use usb2 device names. >>> Wasn't there a plan to rename usb2 devices to match oldusb names (where >>> applicable) once oldusb had been killed? I don't see it in the list. >> Probably, although coming from the other side as a user I find it pretty >> annoying when there's somewhat gratuitous changes to the kernel config >> files that I don't really care about that cause my kernels to break. > > The vast majority of our users do not run -CURRENT, and so haven't had > to change config files yet. > > One day, those users will be migrating from 7.x to 8.x, and shouldn't > need to change their kernel config for a "somewhat gratuitous change". > > Your argument only works if people had already had to change their > config files once (usb -> usb2), and that by renaming these back they > will have to change their kernel config back. Only people running > -CURRENT will end up having to do this twice (or indeed at all) if the > rename takes place, end users will not need to do it at all. That's exactly my point. Number of people running -CURRENT is much less than total number of people running FreeBSD. Therefore, I believe we should try to avoid introducing any superfluous changes upon those users. Not even to mention large body of USB-related documentation that will need to be altered to match the new USB world order. Users running -CURRENT should be prepared to make changes now and then, it's part of the game. I don't POLA is really applicable to them. -Maxim