From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 10 23:46:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA16669 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:46:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from luomat.peak.org (port-21-ts2-gnv.da.fdt.net [209.212.132.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA16646 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:46:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luomat@luomat.peak.org) Message-Id: <199811101218.HAA09442@ocalhost> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7819.910633456@time.cdrom.com> From: Timothy J Luoma Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 07:18:18 -0500 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X desktop contest? + Desktop Env References: <7819.910633456@time.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Author: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 09:44:16 -0800 ID: <7819.910633456@time.cdrom.com> > > It is astonishing to me that FreeBSD continues to ship with a two > > default shells that are not good for interactive use and an out-of-date > > window manager, and remains relatively difficult to get up and running > > in critical areas, specifically graphics, printing, sound, and communica- > > tions. > > Not so astonishing - it's quite clear by these results that the number > of people who actually CARE about this must be very small indeed. Um.... there are those of us who don't have someone they can call on the phone to get help setting these things up, and therefore don't install FreeBSD at all. I know of at least one person intimidated by ending up with a "login: " prompt, only to be followed by a "#" prompt (or whatever it is) with no experience setting up X and no idea what all the varius windowing packages are called and what differentiates one from another. TjL To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message