From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Fri Nov 24 21:04:14 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E6FDF18A1 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 21:04:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D4A2648A5 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 21:04:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id vAOL44dr097107; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 13:04:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id vAOL445P097106; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 13:04:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201711242104.vAOL445P097106@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6) In-Reply-To: <20171124204952.GA1497@night.db.net> To: Diane Bruce Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 13:04:04 -0800 (PST) CC: "A. Wilcox" , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 21:04:14 -0000 > On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 02:40:42PM -0600, A. Wilcox wrote: > > On 24/11/17 13:19, Adrian Chadd wrote: > > > hi, > > > > > > Pardon me, but it's 2017 and the 4.3BSD system index isn't an immutable bible. > > > > > > As a general push to packaging things in general, turning fortune into > > > a package seems like some low hanging fruit. > > > > > > > > > > > > -adrian > > > > > > This, so much this. Why is it so controversial to put the thing in a > > package? Why do people want so badly to just remove it? Why wasn't it > > discussed about putting it in a package? > > Let's bring back badblocks too while we are at it. Its badsect(8) and it has valid uses, even today. You can get ufs/ffs drives that develope a bad block, you can fix the immediate issue with badsect and a fsck, you loose a file. I have a 500G drive that has a spot that gets an error, smart flags it as a pending relocation sector, when I back up and wipe the drive to clear the pending hoping it well relocate it the drive decides hey, I wrote and now read back that data so it is not bad, so puts it back in the good sectors. Repeat a few times and you quickly learn to use badsect t just map that sector out and let UFS never use it again. Now I have this ufs drive... if I stick it on a 12.x current system it is probalby not gona like my badsect(8) that I have done and I am unclear as what may happen. And once again no one followed commiters guide 17.4 even though I pointed out we have a deprication procedure... > > > > > It seems like if, instead of *deleting* things, they were just moved to > > packages, probably nobody would have complained. Or at least, it would > > have been fewer people (I wouldn't have), and the complaints would have > > been lighter ("you could have told me" vs "how dare you"). > > > > Live and learn. And please, package it. ALL of it. > > Yes. Please. > > > > > --arw > > > > -- > > A. Wilcox (awilfox) > > Open-source programmer (C, C++, Python) > > https://code.foxkit.us/u/awilfox/ > > > > > Diane Bruce > -- > - db@FreeBSD.org db@db.net http://www.db.net/~db > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org