From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 22:22:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD4516A4CE for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:22:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sage.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F5C843D1F for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:22:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao [10.0.0.247]) by sage.thought.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i97MMGh0047375; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:22:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thought.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i97MMEhk087971; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:22:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i97MMD42087970; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:22:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:22:13 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: "R. W." Message-ID: <20041007222213.GA87913@thought.org> References: <20041007073658.GA45887@thought.org> <200410072101.45508.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200410072101.45508.list-freebsd-2004@morbius.sent.com> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: Observing 18 years of service to the Unix community User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GNOME questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 22:22:20 -0000 On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 09:01:45PM +0100, R. W. wrote: > On Thursday 07 October 2004 08:36, Gary Kline wrote: > > Both Gnome and KDE are nice front ends, but a bit heavy > > on the graphical interface side for a CLI hacker like > > me. Feedback welcome! > > > Try xfce4. > > XCFe started life as a CDE clone, but the later versions are quite > configurable, and it's more lightweight than Gnome or KDE. > > Personally I don't much like Gnome on BSD or Gentoo because I've had a > lot of bad experiences building and updating it. KDE takes a bit > longer to upgrade, but it's usually straightforward. At last month's meeting of the Seattle BSD group a' member suggested xfce4. (I briefly presented CTWM.... and talking to ctwm users, it looks like a lost cause; or else a long-wait[1].) I'm installing xfce4 now. Gnome/KDE both seem very well thought out. But hard to tweak unless you dig into the code and find out what XML(?) files to use. I give 5 gold stars to the people who have written this stuff, but they seem to have forgotten the hackers and the CLI types.... (*mumble*) gary [1] For Gnome-compat hooks. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix