From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 31 05:08:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC39216A418 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 05:08:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6853B13C457 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 05:08:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from pd3mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr6so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.21]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JNM005LAGSIZSE0@l-daemon> for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:05:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml2so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.146]) by pd3mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-7.05 (built Sep 5 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JNM00FHKGSJ3X00@pd3mr6so.prod.shaw.ca> for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:05:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from soralx ([24.87.3.133]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JNM00AO6GSGI4T3@l-daemon> for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:05:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:05:11 -0700 From: soralx@cydem.org In-reply-to: <46D7186D.8030508@gahr.ch> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-id: <20070830220511.33954d21@soralx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <46D7186D.8030508@gahr.ch> Cc: gahr@gahr.ch Subject: Re: what happened to make world? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 05:08:13 -0000 > # make world > WARNING: make world will overwrite your existing FreeBSD > installation without also building and installing a new > kernel. This can be dangerous. Please read the handbook, > 'Rebuilding world', for how to upgrade your system. > Define DESTDIR to where you want to install FreeBSD, > including /, to override this warning and proceed as usual. > You may get the historical 'make world' behavior by defining > HISTORICAL_MAKE_WORLD. You should understand the implications > before doing this. > > Bailing out now... > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > > > Now, THIS is quite funny... do you really thing that a person with > - root access > - the knowledge of the existence of "make world" > needs this sort of things? it says 2 very important things: -- `make world` will overwrite (keywords here) existing base system (very well known as the 'world') without you explicitly telling it to (i.e., no 'install' string visible anywhere in the command line, but that's actually what it does); -- kernel is outside the world (slightly counter-intuitive), and installing world before kernel _can_ be dangerous (anyone disagrees?). so yes, it is more user friendly but this change causes very little inconvenience, thus could be considered an improvement Enough said > I didn't see anything about this new-wave-of-user-friendly-bsd going > on the list.. have I missed something? [SorAlx] ridin' VS1400