From nobody Wed Jul 30 00:28:35 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bsCkS06m3z62qrM; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 00:28:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo69.interia.pl (smtpo69.interia.pl [217.74.67.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bsCkQ23Vgz3DjW; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 00:28:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=interia.pl header.s=biztos header.b=JaGK+G2A; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vermaden@interia.pl designates 217.74.67.69 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vermaden@interia.pl; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=interia.pl Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 02:28:35 +0200 From: vermaden Subject: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature To: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 X-Originating-IP: 45.148.42.6 Message-Id: List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1753835318; bh=YwTBaVL7AU4kIlz2j/dHswP8PgSHXSBO9RXAZ+eaOUU=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JaGK+G2ANS/qMvrM30cI7FU3xjLchU73unSPQG4lVl47qiaXuQi9+eX/PX8JPDXxh Ol/b4e31T146rqKo2BYsPbnVyx0JfUc44u/2p523czQiQB++hikVs8OklCgeW1WdeT VxXwqeuNP3HLkd/x+8M5KgYLMI00PytjiBg8E5r0= X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.25 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[interia.pl:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.979]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.927]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.74)[-0.739]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[interia.pl,quarantine]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(-0.20)[217.74.67.69:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.74.64.0/22]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[interia.pl:s=biztos]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; SUSPICIOUS_AUTH_ORIGIN(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[interia.pl:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16138, ipnet:217.74.64.0/22, country:PL]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[interia.pl]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org,freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org,freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org,freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[interia.pl] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bsCkQ23Vgz3DjW X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Hi, after short discussion here: - https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/issues/2485 I got REALLY concerned. One of THE features and selling points of a FreeBSD UNIX system is the 'untouchable' Base System. Without PKGBASE all the features are preserved. But when You convert to PKGBASE its ... GONE! Consider this command: # pkg delete -af What it does? It removes all third party packages on 'classic' FreeBSD system without touching the FreeBSD Base System. What the same "pkg delete -af" command does on a PKGBASE FreeBSD system? It kills/destroys almost all of the FreeBSD Base System and leaves only two PKGBASE packages called: - FreeBSD-clibs - FreeBSD-runtime All the rest of Base System is GONE. Destroyed. You do not even have vi(1) editor ad /rescue is separate not protected FreeBSD-rescue package and its also removed. WTF?! POLA is the principle that made FreeBSD such predictable system. Where is the POLA now? Why the same *pkg delete -af* command on 'classic' FreeBSD system without PKGBASE only removes all third party packages and the same *pkg delete -af* literally destroys most of the FreeBSD PKGBASE Base System? Its crazy ... Regards, vermaden