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Date:      Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:11:58 -0500 (EST)
From:      Stephen Hovey <shovey@buffnet.net>
To:        Chris Andrews <chris@Livecast.com>
Cc:        jim@osd.bsdi.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   RE: Please change this
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.05.10101041911420.26056-100000@buffnet11.buffnet.net>
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKBEHALJPMIKHEBJOCEDPCGAA.chris@Livecast.com>

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Or to be able to tell what an email message is and what a web page is.

On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Chris Andrews wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Thanks for your response. I did look at the page prior to sending the email.
> Unfortunately, search engines and the internet in general does not
> categorize these things - copy is copy. And I have to presume that whoever
> "owns" the site controls the copy.
> 
> My other choice was not to send the email to you at all, and we are held to
> some strict guidelines as owners of the trademark in terms of working to
> contain usage to appropriate usage.
> 
> We "do have a clue" here, but it is a challenging task to have a goal of
> clarity in something as cloudy as the Internet.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Mock [mailto:jim@osd.bsdi.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 3:47 PM
> To: Chris Andrews
> Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: Please change this
> 
> 
> On Thu, 04 Jan 2001 at 15:31:50 -0800, Chris Andrews wrote:
> > TO: WEBMASTER OR PERSON WHO CONTROLS YOUR WEBSITE
> >
> > It has come to our attention that you are using the term "Livecast"
> > on the page referenced below, and possibly other pages.
> >
> >
> http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/2000/freebsd-multimedia/20000123.freebs
> d-multimedia.html
> 
> Did you even bother looking at it?  If you did, you'd notice the URL you
> specify above is to a mailing list archive.  The word "Livecast" is
> mentioned because the poster says:
> 
> 	news flash:
> 
> 	I just got livecast to connect and remain connected with a
> 	Lvl: value indicating my audio level, this is unusual.
> 
> > Livecast is a registered trademark that is owned by Livecast, Inc. We
> > would like to ask you to please change Livecast to a generic or
> > industry term such as "webcast" or "live webcast."
> 
> So you're against people saying they have Livecast working?  Heh.
> 
> > Although this might seem like a minor matter to you, it is important
> > to us that the Livecast trademark be understood by the public in an
> > accurate manner. Your page gets referenced by search engines which can
> > confuse the public. We have had to continually police the use of
> > Livecast on the Internet, including recently filing a trademark
> > infringement lawsuit in federal court against CNN/SI.
> 
> What does this have to do with the message?  This tells me you didn't
> even bother looking at the page you referenced.
> 
> > Please change this page(s) on your website, and if you would email me
> > back when the change is completed, I would appreciate it. If you also
> > re-submit your website to the major search engines, then that will
> > ensure that the public gets up-to-date content from your site when
> > they do searches.
> 
> This is not part of the FreeBSD.org web site per se -- it is an archived
> email sent from a private individual to a mailing list.  FreeBSD.org has
> no say over the content of the messages sent to its lists and has no way
> of preventing the word "livecast" from being mentioned in mail to its
> mailing lists.
> 
> - jim
> 
> --
> jim mock <jim@jmock.com>        work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org
> http://soupnazi.org/              BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com
> 
> 
> 
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