From owner-freebsd-ports Sun Aug 3 00:58:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA11945 for ports-outgoing; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 00:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA11907; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 00:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id RAA13291; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 17:27:04 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199708030757.RAA13291@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: ports-current/packages-current discontinued In-Reply-To: <199708021720.DAA00921@labs.usn.blaze.net.au> from David Nugent at "Aug 3, 97 03:20:12 am" To: davidn@labs.usn.blaze.net.au (David Nugent) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 17:27:03 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, asami@cs.berkeley.edu, andreas@klemm.gtn.com, ports@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Nugent stands accused of saying: > > > > The correct answer to this is, of course, that any port that requires > > a specific Tcl version or range of versions should require one of > > those versions out of the ports collection. A port failing to operate > > regardless of the Tcl version in the base distribution is > > _fundamentally_broken_, and should be fixed. > > This is a gross over-simplification. > > The ports collection cannot ignore the rest of the system on which it is > installed. That's the whole point of this discussion. The whole point I am making is that if the ports collection is to avoid being an unbearable millstone around the neck of any further development, it _must_ survive as a separate entity. How much more plainly must this be put before people get it? > Upgrading the base system's version to an untested beta with some very > significant internal changes, even in -current, is the most stupid move > I have seen in the FreeBSD project since my involvement. ARGH! Why do people _insist_ on treating a moving development snapshot as though it were a production system? If you want or expect something to remain static, _use_a_post-RELEASE_verion. You said it yourself; this is -current, you _must_ expect things to change. Tcl is obviously remaining in the tree because it is or will be fundamental to upcoming system components; this much is obvious. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[