From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 21 10:12:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA11057 for current-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11051 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA15825; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605211706.KAA15825@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Charles C. Figueiredo" cc: "Brett L. Hawn" , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd + synfloods + ip spoofing In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 21 May 96 07:18:54 -0400. Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:06:34 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> >and the such need to generate their own headers. Besides, unless your >> >clueless losers and lame crackers gain root, they can't open raw sockets. >> Any PC with an ethernet card on the network can open "raw" packets. > You're right, that was my point exactly. User's on his servers aren't >going to be opening raw sockets, like was mentioned. It's a raw socket, >not a packet. >> And they might not even have to be there while the sniffer collects >> data. I've seen the consequences first-hand. > This has absolutely nothing to do with sniffing, we're talking about >IP spoofing + TCP sequence number generation/prediction, get it straight. Whatever. For many people, sniffing is just part one of spoofing. Once you're that far, there isn't a whole lot left to get to spoofing. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------