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Date:      Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:18:41 -0500
From:      "Doug Reynolds" <mav@wastegate.net>
To:        "Bob Giesen" <BobGiesen@earthlink.net>, "Kris Kennaway" <kris@FreeBSD.ORG>
Cc:        "Douglas R. Spindler" <spindler@dnai.com>, "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>, "Kris Kennaway" <kris@obsecurity.org>
Subject:   Re: A question from a convert from Windows to FreeBSD
Message-ID:  <20020123221653.0B2364844F@wastegate.net>
In-Reply-To: <20020122161741.A7573@citusc17.usc.edu>

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On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:17:41 -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote:

>If we're comparing FreeBSD installations with Windows installations, I
>spent the entire weekend (literally!) last week trying to install
>Win98 on my K6-2/550 with quite standard hardware.  Win98 would boot
>from CD but refuse to load the ATAPI drivers to read the rest of the
>CD; the Promise IDE controller wasn't detected out of the box, so I
>had to transfer my HDs to the motherboard controllers in order to
>install onto them once I got the CD media to work; the motherboard
>needed me to download 4 drivers in order for it to work without
>crashing; and my graphics card (Matrox dual-head G400) didn't work out
>of the box, and still causes Windows 98 to BSOD at startup every 2 out
>of 3 startups no matter what driver magic I've tried.  Then Windows
>Update suggested a new driver for my intel fxp ethernet card which
>totally bodged it up, and I had to do major system file surgery to
>recover a working driver and stop it from continually trying to
>install the broken one.  I had to disable power management because the
>default settings cause the system to hang when it tries to suspend.
>Then I found last night that the FAT16 partition I created using Win98
>FDISK was created right in the middle of my UFS partition which was
>already on the disk.
>
>If I didn't have such expertise with Windows administration there is
>no way in hell I'd have been able to get this thing running.  I can
>hardly think of more things which could have gone wrong with the
>installation to have made it more difficult.
>
>By contrast, FreeBSD installed and runs on the same system without a
>single hitch.


all that i can say is you had some really bad luck man.  Windows 98SE
had been really good to me; however, a lot of super socket 7 & early
slot A boards have the APM problems.  and the UFS & FAT16 thing is why
I keep my operating systems on seperate systems or at least seperate
drives.  FreeBSD 4.0, however, did install great on my k6-266
all-in-one board, except the ata33 (or was it ata66) gave those weird
ata0 errors, so i changed boards.  4.0 on my old 5x86-133 with 28 megs
of ram gave me trouble (lockup on boot install) until i went into
visual config and disabled a bunch of things, then it worked great.  I
will use Win98 until everything needs to be ran on Windows XP, and when
that happens, i am repartitioning and leaving win98 on, and run X and
freebsd for my main desktop, because i refusing to run an OS that will
only let you change your hardware configuration 10 times, and then
having to call micro$oft and get their permission for the 11th.  that
is, because i change my stuff often, and it would make a lot more sense
to limit piracy by cpu and chipset and ram, then by ethernet cards,
sound cards, etc etc

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doug reynolds | the maverick | mav@wastegate.net

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