From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 20 18:09:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E54616A4B3; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 18:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A05E43FDD; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 18:09:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.9p1/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h8L19nGA017918; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:09:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:09:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20030920.190950.53067147.imp@bsdimp.com> To: DougB@freebsd.org From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20030920175306.Q9576@znfgre.qbhto.arg> References: <20030920175306.Q9576@znfgre.qbhto.arg> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.2 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: deischen@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org cc: h@schmalzbauer.de Subject: Re: ports and -current X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 01:09:51 -0000 In message: <20030920175306.Q9576@znfgre.qbhto.arg> Doug Barton writes: : I'd really like to see this change backed out, at minimum until the : ports freeze is over. Me too. I'd like to see a discussion of this in arch@ as well. I know that people have a low bikeshed tolerance these days, but this is a really big change and should be talked about first. We've retained much less widely used interfaces for compatibility for a year or two at times, yet -pthread was removed with little or no discussion. That doesn't seem right to me. It would be one thing if FreeBSD were the only os using it, but it appears that everybody else that supports threads uses it, and making FreeBSD the odd man out seems a little extreme unless there's some big gain that I've overlooked. Warner