From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 24 19:13:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504FA16A404 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:13:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@dogwood.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8AA043D48 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:13:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dave@dogwood.com) Received: from white.dogwood.com (white.dogwood.com [66.91.140.178]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3OJD8uA027702; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:13:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from white.dogwood.com (localhost.dogwood.com [127.0.0.1]) by white.dogwood.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3OJD7EX068827; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:13:07 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from dave@white.dogwood.com) Received: (from dave@localhost) by white.dogwood.com (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id k3OJD6S1068826; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:13:06 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from dave) From: Dave Cornejo Message-Id: <200604241913.k3OJD6S1068826@white.dogwood.com> In-Reply-To: <3942.1145862379@critter.freebsd.dk> To: Poul-Henning Kamp Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:13:06 -1000 (HST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (white.dogwood.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:13:07 -1000 (HST) X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linus Torvalds on FreeBSD's Use of Copy-on-write X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:13:10 -0000 > In message <200604240633.k3O6XUJ0042841@chez.mckusick.com>, Kirk McKusick write > s: > >Anyone working on zero-copy sockets care to respond to this? > > I will strongly recommend that nobody does. > > First: _maybe_ relevant and competent benchmarks will _eventually_ > vindicate one or the other approach, but in all likelyhood, the > difference is a wash for all real-world, practical purposes. > > Second: nobody is going to convince anybody about anything on a > topic where the fronts have been drawn up so sharp from the beginning. > Time spent on tilting windmills is time not spent on the code. > > Third: Linus has internal project fights to fight, and this could > quite likely be part of internal Linux bickering that got out of > hand. > > If any kind of official response should be generated, it should > be humorous and mostly non-insulting. Something like: > > The FreeBSD Project has taken Linus recent comments "ad > notam". We usually hold Linus' technical competence and > judgement in high regard, but if we are indeed "incompetent > idiots" people should really not trust us on that point. > > would do fine. This one truly deserves an honored place in the forutne file > > Poul-Henning > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 > phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 > FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe > Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >