From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 16 23:07:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB28537B401 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:07:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37D543FAF for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:07:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@freebsd.org) Received: from master.gorean.org (12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com[12.234.22.23]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with SMTP id <2003041706075300300bukt2e>; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 06:07:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:07:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton To: Terry Lambert In-Reply-To: <3E9E1DBD.A5443B39@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20030416225100.A12786@znfgre.tberna.bet> References: <20030416104202.7271aed3.flynn@energyhq.homeip.net> <3E9E1DBD.A5443B39@mindspring.com> Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-message-flag: Outlook -- Not just for spreading viruses anymore! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Luciano Evaristo Guerche cc: CARTER Anthony cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org cc: Bill Moran Subject: Re: FreeBSD logo... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 06:07:56 -0000 On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > Doug Barton wrote: > > Your understanding of christian theology is very, very wrong. God and > > Satan are not equals in the Bible, Satan is a created being who turned > > away from obedience to God and therefore is damned for all eternity. > > Actually in Job, Satan's more like God's "Attorney General". That's an interesting way to phrase that. I picked the word "Satan" particularly as opposed to "Devil" to try and move away from the demon issue. The origin of the word we usually pronounce SAY-tin in english is the hebrew word usually pronounced sah-TAHN, which is generally defined as "accuser." Jews don't believe in a "devil" the same way most christians do, but they also don't believe in Satan as an equal to God. In fact, the early christians pretty much adopted the jewish idea of sah-tahn as a created, and fallen being; and embellished it a bit. Getting back to Job, sah-tahn isn't so much in god's employ as he is bringing suit in his own defense. His argument more or less boils down to, "See God? I'm not the only one of your creations that's likely to crack. Take that fellow Job. He CLAIMS that he loves you, but that's just because he has had such an easy life. Make things tough on him, and he'll curse your name just like I did." It's actually one of the more interesting stories in the old testament, mostly because it was written specifically to be an interesting story (or fable, which is a story with a moral, to borrow a greek term from a later era). Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection