From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Tue Apr 2 13:49:37 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437E115679E5 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 13:49:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA828D2EF for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 13:49:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 77B4715679D0; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 13:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370CF15679CD for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 13:49:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C54B08D2E6; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 13:49:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from ivaldir.etoilebsd.net (etoilebsd.net [178.32.217.76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: bapt) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7B33870F9; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 13:49:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: by ivaldir.etoilebsd.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9B1E0B73F3; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 15:49:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 15:49:34 +0200 From: Baptiste Daroussin To: Mathieu Arnold Cc: Adam Weinberger , ports@freebsd.org, Mateusz Piotrowski <0mp@freebsd.org>, Diane Bruce , Koichiro Iwao , Kurt Jaeger Subject: Re: category for VPN softwares? Message-ID: <20190402134934.3qigyxwtqa3flkvf@ivaldir.net> References: <20190402032434.i5tvmzjrti6bz44s@icepick.vmeta.jp> <20190402044151.GG72200@home.opsec.eu> <20190402054219.pbibp2jxqhtwqkru@icepick.vmeta.jp> <954df870-50bb-c7c0-f559-94dd92fce3a6@freebsd.org> <20190402122432.GB96855@night.db.net> <20190402133457.cbxauqhuiwelbqj7@ivaldir.net> <20190402134730.ks2xyurcww6gjupd@ogg.in.absolight.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ir26kt2jr65geszy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190402134730.ks2xyurcww6gjupd@ogg.in.absolight.net> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C54B08D2E6 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.95 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.954,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2019 13:49:37 -0000 --ir26kt2jr65geszy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 03:47:30PM +0200, Mathieu Arnold wrote: > On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 03:34:57PM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 06:29:09AM -0600, Adam Weinberger wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 6:24 AM Diane Bruce wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 06:13:58AM -0600, Adam Weinberger wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:37 AM Mateusz Piotrowski <0mp@freebsd.or= g> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 10:58, Stefan Esser wrot= e: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 02.04.19 um 07:42 schrieb Koichiro Iwao: > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 06:41:51AM +0200, Kurt Jaeger wrote: > > > > > > > >> Create a real category vpn and move everything to it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds better! Gentoo has net-vpn category. Just FYI, Gento= o also have > > > > > > > > net-dialup category. PPP/PPPoE/L2TP softwares are put under= net-dialup > > > > > > > > but I feel that classification is too fine. At least creati= ng vpn or > > > > > > > > net-vpn souds good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about a new "real" category vpn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure if it should be vpn or net-vpn. I feel net-vpn is > > > > > > more suitable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and preserving the current categories > > > > > > > of the ports as their additional categories (assuming that th= ey are in net > > > > > > > vs. security for a reason). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like the idea. > > > > > > > > > > Creating new categories is absolutely doable! However, we have a > > > > > pretty high bar for justifying it. There's no magic number, but o= ur > > > > > (portmgr's) precedent is that the new category must, at the time = of > > > > > creation, be as full as other categories like it. > > > > > > > > > > The most important thing in the new category proposal is a > > > > > comprehensive list of ports that will be moved to it. Put that in= to a > > > > > review or a PR and we can move forward. Fair warning though, if i= t's > > > > > only about a dozen ports, it most likely will not be approved. > > > > > > > > > > My approach here is that new categories should be virtual unless = the > > > > > evidence for hard category is incontrovertible. > > > > > > > > It's far easier making a virtual category and easier to count ports. > > > > e.g. https://www.freshports.org/hamradio > > > > > > > > We have 101 hamradio related ports with more coming... > > > > korean has 43,portuguese has 15,russian has 42 although languages a= re a > > > > special case palm has 15 ports but whatever. ;) > > > > > > > > I'd be surprised if there weren't more vpn ports than 101 so why not > > > > go with a virtual ports category to start with? > > >=20 > > > Hi Diane, > > >=20 > > > That's a great approach to it! AFAIK we haven't explicitly used > > > virtual categories as a staging ground for hard categories, but that > > > seems like a really pragmatic approach; no matter the outcome, the > > > ports tree comes out ahead. > > >=20 > > > # Adam > >=20 > > Just to say, having a new "real" category will force people to rework t= heir > > entry list for poudriere, reinstall things if they are using portmaster= etc. >=20 > For poudriere, it is transparent as it parses MOVED, and new physical > categories add entries in there. I think it will tell you something > about it too. >=20 Same for portmaster yes, I just wanted to raise the fact that virtual categ= ories are transparent addition, but almost useless, while physical one have an im= pact :) Best regards, Bapt --ir26kt2jr65geszy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEgOTj3suS2urGXVU3Y4mL3PG3PloFAlyjaG4ACgkQY4mL3PG3 PlppWxAAzB2BYOPYrlpUb1ro7eGnH8qjHSFR0q7yNt+Sxcm1Hq5PwghKtuiqiVaJ GdtBIHLMvIeHBtgNs/9SsCjZNbalDWiztV0zsOxx4FkJs4aOdktnSZnvOC7V4RB7 buUCyXnpHJI4PavAU2+ggZE+ti6MVDD+OxjtBDdDNZChbH236hjEmP94eExdWXYY v21+A8j/9K/5ZHbZ6PXwUFDGv3mTvTkOvQU68pTIpV8oTM/aCWRvwSy2Y7R06OBm 0airLF1UPQKfDPD6Vq+GFru7DKxhW0EX2LOaoD8a0zzaVrsrEh9N3qBxmzbU6hlO jqpHb18nfvah00Y+CNi8u4Ys/07A8NK5UZl4sQ0gBOwzIv66/dYEcpxkynSb93kO otb8fS6L9kUDDn5Pacs8ahbn5NvHXpttk2rmd4FAUaQMl4IDE3iDxoFK5jWkjWub ajo4mjp3zVs/r4pf9bUrwzAu117VqD2hkViQ4obE3ClycmTCLDn9a5POE+nl7yMV V9zF0NE9ImBHwoByUPKyCatvUCzjQqFHM7702Vpqpx/OJYBlRIXVsBJvwLvpKGGA vmPMIjKYTl4MYIVOLcujCL5iD6hCwiTcdw9o1WpsRw+XIZcFoW802po98C8mZh8L /ZZYtrSd6dsc6DjfDdGtgHzt1KEg/yfQUXZDGgh3ncPgGJYMHNs= =vE6z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ir26kt2jr65geszy--