From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 20 17:13:46 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DF4C89CDD for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2016 17:13:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from miucha.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "miucha.iecc.com", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 DV Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E446A89 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2016 17:13:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 49876 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2016 17:13:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; s=c2d3.585966cf.k1612; bh=Nl492nSarBnDSLDkKF0UHVs2pdyn12BzsbQql6akuyY=; b=E6qDCoS2+yXcXvGTjQZ8zw2zVo9ys6PQRc1DrjEoZsl+1XFRLojw4gDc6Eh9BISBllhOqokK9f3tbwc8bNykSpRUZu5VclfJoW0pxC3D36FOjHO6m2jBk63zAsTU5Q8UvxBt2koAgAxwRd9ELhZJ9xg1kA0WtoeplpCe62Gj9RtaIOXxHlnP0qYdIL5xAeQ8G1N7Op8pvwe4xTODwv5SwZEijEhGKBzesyN9m/jSeHXVNZGSa6mI51I7E/XTdJY+ Received: from localhost ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.0/X.509/SHA1) via TCP6; 20 Dec 2016 17:13:51 -0000 Date: 20 Dec 2016 12:13:45 -0500 Message-ID: From: "John R. Levine" To: "Valeri Galtsev" Cc: "Ian Smith" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cheap domain and ssl certificate In-Reply-To: <53371.128.135.52.6.1482249333.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <20161221012013.T26979@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <53371.128.135.52.6.1482249333.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (OSX 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 17:13:47 -0000 > Indeed. Once free/almost free "generic" top domains emerged like .pro, > .blog, .tech, .design, ... spammers immediately jumped in and started > using them for their wrongdoings. I have a feeling that these domains were > specifically made for their advantage. ... Having met some of the people who run these domains, I'd say you overestimate their ability to plan ahead. What generally happens is that they had a business plan and revenue projections which they missed because their domains serve no actual need. So they panic and have a cut price fire sale, at which point it's utterly predictable that the only customers interested in bulk cheap domains are crooks. Let's Encrypt, on the other hand, was intended from the start not to charge so their system is working the way it's intended to. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly