From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 09:49:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BEBED67 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:49:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lbc@bnrlabs.com) Received: from smtp3-g21.free.fr (smtp3-g21.free.fr [IPv6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E398FC12 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.bnrlabs.com (unknown [82.224.61.5]) by smtp3-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F71A6250; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:49:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [172.20.96.112]) by mail.bnrlabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B1346063; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:49:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50AA00BA.1040007@bnrlabs.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:49:46 +0100 From: "Lucas B. Cohen" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Kline Subject: Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010?? References: <20121118085838.GA7267@ethic.thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20121118085838.GA7267@ethic.thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:49:47 -0000 On 2012.11.18 09:58, Gary Kline wrote: > > > I probably should cc the hardward guys about this. first, see if it > geta any traction here, tho. my tech guy got me a Delll 3010 > that has an "improved" [[meaning screwed up]] BIOS with some > hardware mess called the UEFI. > > Trying to get ssh to work *bi-directionally* i royally f'ked up my > installation for well over 27 hours. ssh still fails to connect going > in to my "new tao"; but this time I know what to avoid. my > question is simple: of what use is this new/improved POS setup? > > im sure its the same for every flavor of unix. my view is that it > mjust makes using non-windozw that much more painful. > > gary > Gary, UEFI is more than a modified BIOS, it's something to get rid of the BIOS altogether. It's the x86 BIOS that arguably deserves much more to be called a screwed up POS, as it carries with it 30 years worth of legacy weirdness, kludges to go around them in modern systems, and a whole catalog of vendor-specific bugs and non-compliant implementations. UEFI was designed to solve a bunch of problems for manufacturers and advanced users, I'm not so sure that it deserves so much heat. What I'm sure of, is that there's no relationship between your new machine's UEFI and your ssh issues. I'm also sure that this has nothing to do with FreeBSD. Best of luck getting your work done on your new machine.