From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mon Aug 27 11:55:31 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1654E10860F5 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:55:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmaloney@ixsystems.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x530.google.com (mail-ed1-x530.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::530]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 823938C162 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:55:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmaloney@ixsystems.com) Received: by mail-ed1-x530.google.com with SMTP id h1-v6so10253557eds.1 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2018 04:55:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ixsystems-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=hPdQhq+FF2lTz+1lMwErRGQbnMeXGkYiJL0QsESWJlg=; b=aL6XttlvLLOal9sfrPGPn82yE+TEKzC97OgQcQDRGsPiaUlL3v02wSpLtoWR+mjeO7 BNOS6+4NoY/ItJvEm7s5ZXj93psz+OSSBoBeNtcY9B4yM0ibZWuzCwhMZOOelGxIt3w0 dr4rP06S9DruuK8HS6wqfBiFsC1LVmW24WP3BTDkga0Qrn9F/KwnVT5CBTqKX6Aw/EIh 95Uoa88TM/Pu4adSX4jy0QkciG17pNFYz+BgMQbTQWiJYV6F5snWHxNBjYzvvw4VwFVY aOnDVgkHjBtSW/nRNfL3lL9p8eQGPmAVG/fpHHYRLe3Rm6KiFBmiZFeXIxPGe/3kzK6W DJaQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=hPdQhq+FF2lTz+1lMwErRGQbnMeXGkYiJL0QsESWJlg=; b=eukCDNuPWiL5/H7R8CCyNx86Uh+wKT1VZzt1nWWS2X+7+iGFlINrRszfJezQBvSVOL hUPwR5sdTXP1ZDRIBhFjcqMwq/8iQDy9XiWbRvxBQGI8WFXZmrAXAChlAKUUTbEB+SZH uUfxIGsVYMJdC0SqXt9+DMT9RNOyU+lyhdjKaz02/L4ZG1ApL9asXnyGLeNFH6X97mcy KXblPg3NisgT7Vvvx8mjP2EgA/kN5m1TNIRHlJTvyXPxMCUG0oaT/VL85dmvAZbuuopz VE9Imf9BSbwaqSEkSHYru8ka8rqYUfulSRcHqf/swR5AUWfWBAzRbd8H12ImberKTAP/ psKA== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51BdSM223Nx53cmEJ1a1tgsymVPtqAZdCasjMgyQRCkBV76f3ySJ qSy8VOJss4aNCk5ajxk6dJBgSf/VeLY6uX5p8Tl6DA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdZuBbX4KtoJgQFPdcYMGJY5dNbyxshw0Lptm1Eo03DGZ2/35g7hhntsBTnZqvl5QacNmZ58uishT9FWtUmXWkk= X-Received: by 2002:a50:b7db:: with SMTP id i27-v6mr17132591ede.284.1535370928562; Mon, 27 Aug 2018 04:55:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20180824215302.ivfna55jtrtc5trg@freebsd480.station> <86k1oepbdr.fsf@next.des.no> <180f8f99-5fa1-1411-59e6-856e3ebc370c@cameron.net> <5b83cb32.1c69fb81.ee07c.812eSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <5b83cb32.1c69fb81.ee07c.812eSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> From: Joe Maloney Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 07:55:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12 To: mueller6722@twc.com Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-current Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:55:31 -0000 Thanks for the drm-next efforts. I could not, and would not be using FreeBSD without it. Joe Maloney On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 5:58 AM Thomas Mueller wrote: > Excerpt from Oliver Pinter: > > > Let's do some more step backwards, and see how the graphics driver > > developments works from the corporation side. > > They not bother about any of the BSDs, they focus only to Windows and > > Linux. If you want to use a recent (haha recent, something after 2014) > you > > are forced to use new drivers from linux. > > The fore/advantage on the Linux side are the zillions of corporately paid > > kernel developers. > > They can just focus on a new hw supports, on freebsd side, there are no > > corporately paid drm driver developer. Sadly. > > In linux word their internal KPI (try a Google for a "stable API > nonsense" > > words) moves so fastly, that porting of these drivers gets non trivial > > without a dedicated paid team. > > > If you want to change on this situation, try to learn for you could help > or > > send directed donations to freebsd foundation. ;) > > Linux and FreeBSD are not the only open-source OSes. > > There is also (Net, Open, DragonFly)BSD, Haiku, OpenIndiana and others. > > Maybe better would be for the hardware manufacturers to release more > general specifications that could be adapted to any OS, by the NetBSD > developers, Haiku developers, etc. Certainly not to ignore Linux. > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >