From nobody Mon Sep 9 08:14:06 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4X2KNx137Hz5W6Yf for ; Mon, 09 Sep 2024 08:14:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [130.225.244.222]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4X2KNw5l1Jz4XRk; Mon, 9 Sep 2024 08:14:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (unknown [192.168.55.3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by phk.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 295E489284; Mon, 09 Sep 2024 08:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from phk@localhost) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.18.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 4898E6cR079209; Mon, 9 Sep 2024 08:14:06 GMT (envelope-from phk) Message-Id: <202409090814.4898E6cR079209@critter.freebsd.dk> To: David Chisnall cc: Warner Losh , Kristof Provost , Alan Somers , Dmitry Salychev , Jan Knepper , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: The Case for Rust (in any system) In-reply-to: <0C28DE97-D536-404E-A385-0920C12A768A@freebsd.org> From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" References: <202409090739.4897d92v078621@critter.freebsd.dk> <0C28DE97-D536-404E-A385-0920C12A768A@freebsd.org> List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <79207.1725869646.1@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2024 08:14:06 +0000 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1835, ipnet:130.225.0.0/16, country:EU] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4X2KNw5l1Jz4XRk -------- David Chisnall writes: > On 9 Sep 2024, at 08:39, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > > But do you agree that the C++ compiler's take on things make more sense > > than the C compiler's in these cases ? > > I'm not sure I've seen many places where it makes a difference. To me, > most of the benefit of C++ comes from the ability to create types > that enforce invariants. I fully agree, but I am not talking about reaping "most of the benefits", I'm talking about "how to get started with C++" and if it is worth it ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.