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Date:      Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:37:49 -0700
From:      "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com>
To:        Peter Philipp <philipp@globalserve.net>
Cc:        Jeremy Domingue <jer@hughes.net>, current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD 
Message-ID:  <15927.900380269@time.cdrom.com>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:17:54 EDT." <Pine.NEB.4.00.9807132110460.25223-100000@geeklab.globalserve.net> 

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> Where I work we have a dual PII with built in SCSI controller.  In my
> opinion this was a bad buy, but that's the process of "gaining experience"
> I guess.  

Your comments about the pain of potentially losing an on-board SCSI
controller are well taken, but I think perhaps just a bit too shy over
the line of "appropriate conservatism" to really support.  The fact
remains that these types of motherboards have their place, and they
have their place for several reasons.  First, for many people the PCI
slot is a very scarce and valuable resource, each and every slot saved
making the difference between either deploying a FreeBSD machine in a
certain scenario or having to use some other solution.  This is
especially true for motherboards like the Intel Providence, which
supplies on-board 7880 and Intel Etherexpress Pro 100B - saving 2 full
PCI slots.  Second, the number of actual failures in the field simply
does not support such a level of paranoia - I've seen motherboards
fail for all sorts of reasons and have yet to have that reason be an
on-board SCSI controller.  Even if I did encounter such a scenario, it
would hardly be the end of the world - I'd simply disable the thing
and stick a 2940 in there until I had a chance to either replace the
MB or simply decide to leave things that way.  With Intel Providence
motherboards now going for $89 (or, with 2 CPUS, for $300) on the
street, I can *afford* to lose the on-board SCSI or ethernet. :-)

In short, I simply do not agree with your suggestion that such boards
should be avoided and the FreeBSD Project would certainly lose several
very useful machines if we suddenly adopted that kind of hard-line
stance.

- Jordan

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