From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 21 19:17: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEEB37B400 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pursued-with.net (adsl-66-125-9-242.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net [66.125.9.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C1B43E4A for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:17:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Kevin_Stevens@pursued-with.net) Received: from localhost (fffinch [192.168.168.101]) by pursued-with.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M2H1Re034877; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:17:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Kevin_Stevens@pursued-with.net) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:17:03 -0700 Subject: Re: FreeBSD on a Mac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Cc: John Bleichert , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG To: friar_josh@webwarrior.net From: Kevin Stevens In-Reply-To: <1029964014.226.3.camel@markx.vladsempire.net> Message-Id: <3F9DC728-B575-11D6-8C70-003065715DA8@pursued-with.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 02:06 , Josh Paetzel wrote: > On Thu, 2002-08-22 at 01:20, Kevin Stevens wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 05:23 , John Bleichert wrote: >> >>> On 21 Aug 2002, Josh Paetzel wrote: >>>> Right, which goes back to Apple can't control the hardware anymore, >>>> and >>>> they are forced to compete pricewise with Dastardly Dan's House of >>>> Clones. Think IBM, circa 1983. >>>> >>>> Josh >>>> >>> >>> Right - I agree with you, Apple will and should stay on PPC and not >>> x86 >>> hardware, for better or worse. I just agreed they'd have a good system >>> on >>> x86 too. >> >> Nonsense. There's a lot more to system architecture than the flavor of >> CPU, and no reason at all to use a typical PC design just because you >> choose to use an x86 CPU. If it was that straightforward people would >> be cloning Macs now; it's no harder to buy G4s in quantity than it is >> Xeons. >> >> KeS >> > > In my experience THAT is nonsense. Go open up a SunBlade 100 or recent > PPC. Hell, SGI has given in the point of just using intel cpus. The > reason people aren't cloning Macs is legal, not technological. Apple > didn't release the Power PC into the public domain ala IBM. > I guess I still see this a a moot point. We most likely will not see > MacOS on any sort of hardware we can homebrew ala today's typical PC. > > Josh I think we're in violent agreement. My point is that there is nothing preventing Apple from building x86 Macs such that you couldn't feasibly run Windows on them, and that conversely you couldn't readily port OS X to standard Wintel boxes. Just because it has an Intel CPU in it doesn't make it a Wintel box. I'll shut up now before this topic strays any further. BTW I run FreeBSD now on my Athlon server because it gives me better mindshare with my OS X PowerBook than does Solaris. KeS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message