From owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 9 02:06:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45B416A4A0; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 02:06:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bms@FreeBSD.org) Received: from out5.smtp.messagingengine.com (out5.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9958213C447; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 02:06:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bms@FreeBSD.org) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.internal [10.202.2.42]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE3985F13; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:06:05 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: k+UHqlKM+pfnJTAa3FSJHjNndXK9hHQikPWGoKt6x914 1199844343 Received: from empiric.lon.incunabulum.net (82-35-112-254.cable.ubr07.dals.blueyonder.co.uk [82.35.112.254]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316D2C34C; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:05:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47842BF5.8060907@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:05:41 +0000 From: "Bruce M. Simpson" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070928) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Elischer References: <4772F123.5030303@elischer.org> <477416CC.4090906@elischer.org> <477D2EF3.2060909@elischer.org> <4780E5E7.2070202@FreeBSD.org><4781197F.1000105@elischer.org> <47814AF0.9070509@freebsd.org> <305C539CA2F86249BF51CDCE8996AFF4096E12A7@bcs-mail2.internal.cacheflow.com> <4783F398.801@freebsd.org> <4784009B.6030601@elischer.org> In-Reply-To: <4784009B.6030601@elischer.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Li, Qing" , Andre Oppermann , Qing Li , FreeBSD Net , arch@freebsd.org, Ivo Vachkov , Robert Watson , Vadim Goncharov Subject: Re: resend: multiple routing table roadmap (format fix) X-BeenThere: freebsd-net@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:06:05 -0000 Julian Elischer wrote: > Andre Oppermann wrote: >> >> People with the ultimate need for speed have to maintain their own >> trees anyway (Bluecoat, Juniper, Sandvine, Isilon,...) and can afford >> to cut some more corners anyway. > > We are trying to get away from that. We are trying to get more BACK > from those companies. > I know I keep rattling my sabre about co-operative development in "that" IRC channel. The IP stack stuff everyone is looking at right now is just one example of the kind of development which organisations are normally not prepared to sponsor other than in the context of their own projects -- which is fair enough, they are, after all, acting in their own interests, even though we all stand to gain more from mutualism. The weevil is eating away at the apple from the inside, the question is, who's going to tell it like it is -- and who's actually going to do something about it? Hint: The grass is not necessarily greener on the Linux side of the fence. cheers BMS