From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 10 15:28:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3591065673 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:28:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17CB08FC0C for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:28:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iebc12 with SMTP id c12so4226111ieb.13 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 08:28:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=YWVhPLb6/91MT6Z/pTmxb66ZeZwUVdwjC64RVtBEd5c=; b=ggfIuCTnKmhfze4DXk+02q0iczwPysBwksQrse92DN1hMh49LxAToVJd0Hgxx4z7iY 1v/ueQtb0NARa8/OpT9iiaxg6yyrS05++70aEY4PpLzaqXt/Q1Hqu27d8yaU1I4ljt6N U8zlEDtVkTAg5L0Fjb7tPecymknIv/fsqYg7Wf2lnWmm/94SbMvu5BnDiAPy4nnLJU+q uiyYOxGLPQ34jR7nMXFW6TQ30I2lIwx/PEWrZW/+4qUJlMsnMFpGazw2VT+yc14Lb5C+ yZtyzGLe6AVGX4Y195tYI/YGhN9/rrWlixL2Vr6UrDgT+Ax80VTsLptVDbpaXYKTJzMC ysNA== Received: by 10.50.171.6 with SMTP id aq6mr11789777igc.72.1347290887089; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 08:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.12.167] (rrcs-98-100-103-4.central.biz.rr.com. [98.100.103.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bo7sm21428598igb.2.2012.09.10.08.28.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 10 Sep 2012 08:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Warner Losh Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <504D6EE8.5010604@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 10:28:00 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7470815C-E215-4A57-90AB-773C2B74E2DA@bsdimp.com> References: <20120908234659.GA10489@server.rulingia.com> <42D7F0F3-46EC-484A-8665-626AD5D0404E@bsdimp.com> <504D2BE4.6030007@FreeBSD.org> <59550073-A4DE-4152-B406-DFC47AF991DC@bsdimp.com> <504D6EE8.5010604@FreeBSD.org> To: Doug Barton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm++PeZtz/+GeXt4o9VWm4RKTvA+3EkZIFQ80Nwr6vc8vefnyyv4ew46sBl49+I5wVzfyHv Cc: Eitan Adler , arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removing CVS from HEAD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:28:08 -0000 On Sep 9, 2012, at 11:39 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > On 9/9/2012 9:01 PM, Warner Losh wrote: >>=20 >> On Sep 9, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Doug Barton wrote: >>> We have a long way to go until 10-RELEASE, and a long uptake cycle = after >>> that. By the time even a significant percentage of our users are >>> actually using 10.something the momentum will have shifted entirely = to >>> SVN. ... and anyone using 10 who needs CVS can install it from = ports. >>=20 >> I'll point out that "what things should be like at 10.0" is difficult = to predict today. Saying the project will be a particular way weakens = the argument given the project's glorious history on such = pronouncements... It is a great goal, but I'd rather see more concrete = progress towards the goal before pulling the trigger. >=20 > Oddly, the opposite argument was put forth for removing sysinstall in > HEAD when there was no replacement available for the post-install > features of sysinstall. The fact that it got removed anyway helped = spur > action regarding its replacement. And we've had plenty of friction in that transition, so it would seem = the evidence supports the go a little more slowly approach. But, = sysinstall is kinda a special case, so I don't think either side can = draw much useful inference from that debate. > The balls are already rolling towards getting SVN mirrors in place, = and > anyone who still needs CVS years from now can install it from ports. True. And delaying a bit until things are more jelled won't hurt = anything either. If all goes according to plan, this will be in a few = months. If it doesn't, then we have a fallback... Warner