From owner-svn-src-head@freebsd.org Wed May 23 19:05:03 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF84EADEE3 for ; Wed, 23 May 2018 19:05:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22e.google.com (mail-it0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6AF1579717 for ; Wed, 23 May 2018 19:05:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id d10-v6so5221335itj.1 for ; Wed, 23 May 2018 12:05:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9t2y9g3scykxphDyHEISqe1jOh0HWV2nKocF54uZjVc=; b=OzsNLjPAeAgTvzr0oTX8lW+ykm22WbeV5H0Tfz2O4c7RmM4usrxRE9IjyxvUS2HoWZ GiMdXq26A18R5de8QXQvMrGmZEEkNTbNMQ+rblNUX7QcpsT1W6kzZSUstqO++Nqiep2R bhxLUCdYWf/4d8UhrfA9+fwJd5hTIJpG5jJxZ8Cpi7IImXbUDbVoBv4uJPl1u1h324El SCfDFuSQYQY/nZbg0VgChxM+QJLGMJ+DPtZXfNESm53ql0An3ZTQQbV8vwF+RJMdN4Lt UJlXGftGB2n35gDHF1hkFjMyDtFVlaub4iF5eNEGGkOa2AqvPH9nwDFRiVq3SbHN+YD5 sB+Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9t2y9g3scykxphDyHEISqe1jOh0HWV2nKocF54uZjVc=; b=kfP76H/5wnFeFT1NB9SuFi7JzaV3SmCvEiLuMg7BKCYaBxycuJ1KLE8gevSYFsqH4W 84zM6Q5qXs3giB5LusvnpsqtSFl26hWr+OVue+SxMbpGNud8uqCutAFw0ZeQB8zH5sLV 5QG8b0JStg1L0u+gYsM1BbYEPsE9DdX+e6HyhS3/yfRS71ma1yMJhSrPI4ZtB6U0OJ83 QBM/uKn3TiSb7iZwCP+dlNYJa0yMQHwChdiUc6xxfzNlsPnxDvaaRwYZgOFqahbhLK6/ 1ImlwTxZ1/B5ZfyRsuGzRQAJjgzE+ig0jm58+RNWZc+chQ3ujbp/IEBxdzSiMhlNdb2r Gtog== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwcM3PDRhwPRyl1UahUOB1doxqIW9170LWA4aXf4600FStBHA1dj VoAafT5eXgRb+8+b9YKiSlYb7njdDy+Q4UY6zsvDAA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKK9yexOq4untvDnzdDiATkOvFhHt4mIFYSZ+3fuxk3cnVgTL1gVB2MtxnZ24p+g36URYW/bI9/TWLPMuRPzApg= X-Received: by 2002:a24:4388:: with SMTP id s130-v6mr6517879itb.51.1527102301546; Wed, 23 May 2018 12:05:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201805231814.w4NIExZ9036362@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> <034afbd6-a83a-b753-15fa-5f42eba24b51@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <034afbd6-a83a-b753-15fa-5f42eba24b51@freebsd.org> From: Warner Losh Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 13:04:49 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: svn commit: r333388 - in head: . share/man/man4 sys/conf sys/dev/nxge sys/modules sys/modules/nxge tools/kerneldoc/subsys tools/tools tools/tools/nxge usr.sbin/bsdconfig/share To: Stefan Esser Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , Mark Linimon , Gleb Smirnoff , Sean Bruno , svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.26 X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 19:05:03 -0000 On Wed, May 23, 2018, 12:44 PM Stefan Esser wrote: > Am 23.05.18 um 20:14 schrieb Rodney W. Grimes: > >> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 10:41:17AM -0700, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > >>> If end of sales and support is enough to remove 10g driver from the > kernel, > >>> can we please delete all 10Mbit, 100Mbit 10+ year old drivers from the > kernel? > >> > >> Depends on how many existing users we want to screw over. Not everyone > >> replaces all their hardware every 2 years, folks. > > > > And some of us buy 2 year old hardware because it is cheap, > > and serves our needs just fine. Even 8 year old servers > > make usable machines today. > > > >> The difference is that the Exar chips failed in the marketplace; very > >> few seem to have made it out into the wild. > >> > >> Given, 10Mbit-only things are way past their sell-by date. > > > > Do we even have any 10Mbit only drivers? I think that all the > > 10mbit drivers also support 100mbit devices, but maybe there > > are some odd cases I cant remeber. > > AFAIK and FWIW: > > ed(4), le(4) on amd64 and on i386 (ISA and PCI) > ex(4), ep(4) on i386 (ISA and PCcard) > My plans are to retire PC Card and these drivers in 13. Machines that have this hardware still run 12 OK. Packages make them upgradable still, but its clear the hand writing is on the wall. Ed and ep also support 100M, but are unable to do line rate. Warner Warner >