Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 04:54:24 +0800 From: blubee blubeeme <gurenchan@gmail.com> To: Alejandro Imass <aimass@yabarana.com> Cc: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: [OT] Is the IT Crowd re-inventing Unix with Virtualization, Docker and Microservices? Message-ID: <CALM2mE=stq1_dx95TRKNj11vWGs4pvmepThjqUXeNP=mGLKrag@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAHieY7SsnUAvjbWD00LwWScNy8E3rK6vP0nfTyihWJoSBhW1RA@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAHieY7SsnUAvjbWD00LwWScNy8E3rK6vP0nfTyihWJoSBhW1RA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 03:13 Alejandro Imass <aimass@yabarana.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I guess it's time for another food for thought email of like-minded > FreeBSDers, as I am coming to a new conclusion about this whole enterprise > crap world of which I am so evermore fed up of... > > For me it all started with a comment about Theo de Raadt's visionary > comment here, brought to light by Ian Smith in 2017: > > > https://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=117621+0+archive/2017/freebsd-questions/20170820.freebsd-questions > > At the time I was going through Java / AWS hell so I posted this rant which > was followed up by interesting and diverse commentary: > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ml-freebsd-questions/bMlBTj4Xx_Q > > And now I have been recently exposed to the pinnacle of enterprise crap: > microservices. > > Not saying that they are not a good idea, on the contrary, they are! But is > this all really that new?? > > So modern-day microservices rely heavily on virtualization (Linux on AWS), > pseudo-virtualization (Docker), and well, the microservices themselves. > > They bring on a whole new set of challenges such as log unification > (usually through something like Elastic Search, Log Stash, Kibana, Beats, > etc.), and IPC (through an MQ su as Apache Kafka). Plus a whole new pile of > shit that they are throwing at this microservices "architectures" such as > Hystrix and of course, everyone needs to be "streaming" so they throw in > stuff like Spring Reactor or RxJava, "new" Actor design patterns like Akka > (actually invented in 1973) and well, whatever other thing that Netflix or > Amazon use, then everyone else has got to use them too. > > Read any book on the subject and well, cry. Talk about layers and layers, > upon layers and layers of crap, basically to achieve something like, well: > Unix, TCP/IP and HTTP. > > So let me breakdown a few of these things so you get what I'm saying: > > Reactive Streams: a new FAD designed to handle "back pressure" and vertical > scaling by taking advantage of multi-core CPU's and low-level caching > issues etc. Well, guess what, enterprise idiots: that's EXACTY why you want > a solid Operating System that sits on, and it's fined tuned to that > specific real hardware! and with regards to back-pressure, old school > protocols such as HTTP have had things like 503 and RetryAfter header from > their original design!! > > It's so funny that most of these things are for multi-core optimizations > that are not even running on real hardware! > > Log Unification: well how about a little education on RFC 3164 and Log > Analyzer? > > Virtualization: isn't this what Unix basically is? I mean the concept of > processes that are running and sharing resources is that not virtualization > by principle? > > Pseudo-Virtuzalization: Isn't this what chroot and BSD Jails do? Oh you > want an easy interface like Docker, well how about EzJail? > > IPC: Isn't that what pipes and SYS 5 IPC provide: an MQ, Shared Mem and > Semaphores? Oh too slow? (really? compared to what?). > > And finally the crown jewel: microservices. Well, isn't this one of the > basic design principles of Unix? I mean tiny little things that talk well > to each other to build big things with? > > Honestly I could go on but I thing you get the idea. It seems that this > whole "enterprise" industry has been hell-bent on re-inventing a big, bad, > ugly and expensive version of Unix, just because they don't want to tie > their design to Unix? For portability? to what?, well to another flavour of > Unix called Linux, running on Xen and well, Linux. > > Is there are real proof that all this microservices crap is really that > much better than individual processes (e.g. built with sh, Perl and/or C) > running on a fined-tuned Unix system on real hardware? > > Oh yeah, that's right, high-level guys are too expensive? really? compared > to what? to the dozens and dozens of mediocre "coders", "devops", > "techops"and whatever other "ops". Yeah, we are way more expensive but we > are 50:1, maybe 100:1 compared the median in the "enterprise" side of > things. > > Steve Jobs was so right about the "dynamic range"of A players: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yh7ikSQwKg > > Anyway, that's my rant of the year ;-) > > Thanks so much for FreeBSD!! > > > -- > > Alex > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > It's not just micro services, look at Wayland. By the time they're finished it'll be X10.5
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